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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg we have the one

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and only there can be no substitutes

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Walter Bosley joining us this week on

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the power cast he hasn't been here in a

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few months or even a year or so he has

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been a busy bee and we'll find out more

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in a moment

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our weekly guest co-host is none other

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than J Randall Murphy

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welcome back Randall glad to be here

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should be a good show

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now just to let everybody know here

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Randall and I have been busy bees too

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we're preparing for some updates to the

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site and introduction of a new online

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store to get para cast merchandise

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official accept no substitutes official

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power cast merchandise so that's gonna

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be pretty exciting you'll have that on

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sment hopefully this month the other

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thing I did last night and I was up all

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night doing this I'm going to try to be

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non-technical

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and the reason I'm going to do that is

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because I do a second radio show called

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the tech night out live and I don't want

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to have people people interested in that

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stuff to have to understand what I'm

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saying so I'll make it easy here and

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non-technical which is I did some work

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on the backend of our web server to

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optimize performance because we've seen

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situations which some of you know where

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the site really is fast and sometimes it

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kind of drags a little bit and they say

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if a site is too slow to come up people

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will go somewhere else I don't need that

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you know there's so many sites to choose

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from so I work to optimize it so that

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the issues or instances where it slows

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down or not as severe it's still gonna

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happen when thousands and thousands of

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people are downloading a brand-new

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episode of the power cast on Sunday

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morning it's still gonna be a little bit

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of a slug but I try to do all sorts of

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changes recommended by our web host

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named sheep to make things work better

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and I hope they do that's it well you

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wanna say anything about what's gonna

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come before the site in the new store

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give like a little bit of it well we've

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got another person working with us from

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Denmark who is helping to build online

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shopping feature into it and is

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essentially really generously putting in

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a lot of work to rebuild the homepage

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and add new products and make it more

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interesting and easier to use so it's

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looking good I think we've got a good

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little team going here with that and

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I'll just have to see how it develops

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over the course of August now we've had

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online stores from time to time of the

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power cast and we had cafe press and

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then we went to a company I think from

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Canada that went out of business without

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telling me so suddenly people can't

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order official power cast merchandise

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but this is starting to sound like an

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end I don't want it to be you know I

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just want to make things convenient for

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everybody if you have any problems with

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our site or have ideas of things we can

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do other than go to other place which

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some people might want write us news at

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the podcast comm or click on the

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contact' link on our site or in the

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forms that form that of a para cast com

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now when we have Walter Bosley with us

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it's an exciting time because he's got

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this really really extensive background

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with the FBI and intelligence I don't

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want to get political because sometimes

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that happens but as a former FBI agent

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what is your feeling about the agency

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being attacked so much it's

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non-political ISM it can make it alright

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oh well you can talk about that but

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first of all let me correct you again

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it's former Air Force OSI agent I was an

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operational specialist when I was with

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the FBI I just want to make that

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distinction again because they they

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they're very sensitive about those

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distinctions okay operational specialist

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as opposed to an agent what's the

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difference I was I I worked undercover

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I had to two of my assignments San

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Francisco and Manhattan I worked

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undercover I was you know I worked out

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there on the street as they say when I

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was assigned to San Francisco and I

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worked at an undercover location doing a

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sensitive counter intelligence work

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while in Manhattan and you don't have to

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be an agent to do those particular tasks

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and then from the FBI I went to the Air

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Force and I immediately they hired me to

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put me in OSI as an agent because of my

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bureau experience so after officer

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training school got my commission and

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like went home for Christmas and then

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immediately after the holidays reported

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to the agent Adam and I spent all my

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active duty time with the Air Force as

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special agent of the air force suicide

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and then after that when I left the Air

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Force I went into counterterrorism

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working around the world doing that

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stuff interesting progression yes very

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interesting so hearing the Department of

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Justice the FBI constantly in

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chronically attacked I know it's hard to

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be non-political because that's so

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political what's your field well as I

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said you can actually discuss these

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issues fortunately without being

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political even though there's a as we

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know there's a lot of politically

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motivated stuff on both sides going on

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out there however from the perspective

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of you know the the the on the street

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operational former operational employee

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you know kind of thing I still have you

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know contacts in the organization and I

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can tell you that you know 90% of them

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are disgusted with some of the stuff

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that's going on within their own upper

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management ranks very much so I find it

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disappointing because during my time

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with the FBI

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I had nothing but a positive experience

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and I learned you know the basics I was

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essentially first taught to be a spook

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when I was with the FBI and then you

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know all the stuff after that was more

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advanced and carried it further but you

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know I cut my spook teeth so to speak

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with the bureau and I like the bureau

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and I hate to see you know this for

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whatever reason for whatever reason

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without getting into the reasons I just

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hate to see this kind of crap happening

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within and - and you know of the

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organization and you know my sources

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tell me that you have 90 percent of the

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folks out there agree with that they

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just they got a job to do they do a hell

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of a job they're out there really trying

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to get the bad guys and when they see

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this this stuff in the political arena

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it just it you know it's really

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disappointing now one of the other

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things you have to consider when you can

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look at all these attacks if an FBI

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agent is called in a trial the testify

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that lowers his or her credibility

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because you got all this a medical stuff

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going on and you have all this news

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about the FBI being unreliable or being

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biased against one party or another that

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can be used against them and hurt the

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ability to try a case and get a

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responsible judge break well sure you

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know any criminal defense attorney now

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it's gonna have something to latch onto

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I mean it could be a white-collar crime

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case you know corporate fraud right and

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the defense attorney could say well gosh

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look at the history the recent history

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of the FBI how do we know this this

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particular FBI agent investigating my

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client you know didn't have some

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political motive or some personal motive

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to want to go after my client you know

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my client is so innocent they can use

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that you know now so you're absolutely

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right

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it certainly does very possibly hurt

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credibility when when it comes to the

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important things like testifying like in

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you know the handing over a report it

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you know and you're supposed to trust

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what this agent has found and reported

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and you know it's it's a mess you see if

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you look at any police procedural on

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television what

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as an officer whether it's with police

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or FBI testifies the first thing they'll

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do is try to impeach that person now I

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wonder if they'll simply say can we

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subpoena your email texts let's just see

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what you were saying behind the scenes

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Chris civil service laws I believe don't

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allow them to actually make appointments

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based on someone's private political

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beliefs you know as long as they keep it

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to themselves we got more to come with

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Walter Bosley our guest or weekly

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co-host is Jayne Randall Murphy you're

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talk about the paranormal in this

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respect there have been rumors over the

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years of some level of FBI interest in

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UFOs like the FBI he had dossiers I'm

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using that term on George Adamski

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contactees and stuff like that why with

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the FBI be concerned it doesn't seem to

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be anything it's part of their normal

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operations or am I wrong me well no

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you're right and you're wrong because

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you know we're talking particularly when

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you get into the the 1950s era of all

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this remember we had just come off World

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War two in the prior decade and by the

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50s we were neck deep in the Cold War so

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a lot of people don't realize that the

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FBI is much larger mission is the

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national security mission you know they

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see the bank robberies and the

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white-collar crime and the profiling of

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serial murders what we called the Crim

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side to the criminal investigative side

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of the house that's the mostly what the

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public sees because the national

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security mission you know so much of us

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classified that they don't realize that

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the the great majority of the FBI budget

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goes to the national security stuff

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which of course nowadays includes the

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counterterrorism but in those days and

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in the days I was in it was mostly

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counterintelligence counterespionage

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because

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when I was in the end of the Cold War

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and set foot in the 50s it was the

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height of the Cold War and remember

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there's been a lot said and written and

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pointed out how the whole UFO thing

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could have been and was by some

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perceived as a Soviet SIOP okay and at

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that time since there were those who

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were considering either it was a Soviet

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SIOP or was this advanced Soviet

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military technology therefore that makes

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it a national security issue so when

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you're talking about now

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UFOs and you know the alleged contact

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these are the reported contact he's on

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US soil that becomes as much the FBI's

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bailiwick as anyone and by again by the

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50s the Air Force OSI had only existed

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since 1948 so that would have been a

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logical agency and certainly I don't

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know the specifics but certainly they

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were looking at it but because it was a

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national security issue that's why the

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FBI had kind of an obligation to look at

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these things and remember also they were

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they were involved in operations during

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World War two FBI agents would parachute

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behind enemy lines to my understanding

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that's where the Mafia came in and

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greatly helped the FBI when you think

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about it remember during the JFK era

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when Bobby was going after the mob

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before JFK was assassinated obviously

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you know you have this attitude where

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Hoover was almost you know saying mafia

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what mafia a kind of thing and Bobby was

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wondering hey how come the bureau's not

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going after these guys you know it's my

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understanding and I'll express this is

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my opinion that probably one of the

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reasons Hoover didn't go after the mob

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was because they had helped us in world

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war two you know against fascist Italy

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and of course the Nazis by extension

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with all this kind of stuff in the mix I

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digress there with Hoover mafia thing

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but it was in the 50s very much an FBI

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concern to at least you know be looking

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at so well the Air Force has Lahey's

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with

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the FBI in the past right at the

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beginning of the modern era of UFOs for

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example that as the collections branch

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of the Air Force office of intelligence

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their analysis was carried out in

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concert with the FBI actually this

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special agent SW Reynolds was his name

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he was right involved in it that and

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that those people would do background

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checks and in order to sort of layer

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witnesses and so on so I could see how

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they could send somebody out to say

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check out a damn ski and see well you

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know he was going on yeah and remember

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that

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the Air Force Aloha size literal origin

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is with the FBI when the Air Force

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wanted to create their own investigative

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agency the FBI sent there I think he was

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the number three man at the time

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Carroll was his last name and the FBI

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let go of him let him go to the Air

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Force he was made at Brigadier General

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and he was the first commander of the

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Air Force OSI and he literally created

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the OSI on the FBI structure this is why

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when I went from the FBI into the Air

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Force OSI I felt very comfortable

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because a lot of just the way the

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offices and the way the organizations

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are set up is his FBI for the Air Force

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essentially but yeah if the the OSI and

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the FBI did have that they've got that

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long tradition because it was literally

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an FBI agent from headquarters who

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created the OSI structure for the Air

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Force that's really interesting now I've

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been dying to ask you this question we

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had Richard Doty on of course he says he

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was with the FOC as well and and that

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seems to be pretty much without question

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now but what about his claims that

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during his briefings and an introduction

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into the program that he was inaugurated

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basically into the ranks of sort of a

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secret UFO investigative group where

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there's literally hundreds of these

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agents around different places in the

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world and he see - he talks about seeing

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films of UFOs and being

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basically brought into the fold now did

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you experience any of that or have you

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heard anything else from anyone else

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inside cause he other than Dodie well

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I'll tell you I was not personally

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brought in to any that would be like a

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task force or a special working group

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kind of thing I was not brought in to

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any specific thing like that

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regarding UFOs I I was brought into

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there's an acronym that I used to never

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say because we you know we weren't

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really supposed to talk to you know you

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know certain acronyms and stuff but in

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the last election the SAP for these you

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know special access program s ap that's

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what I was in and so what that means is

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you you have a clearance where you know

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you have access to certain technology

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you can be exposed to it you know and

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you get cleared for this stuff it's

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called we referred to it globally as

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cleared for weird and he was for a while

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in the same operational program SAP that

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I was in counter espionage operations ok

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I was chief of the branch of

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counterespionage operations for OSI at

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wright-patterson for three years I find

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that really curious that that you could

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be so closely related to that and not

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know anything about it if it actually

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existed well our re saying is it could

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be theoretically compartmentalized to

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the degree that you would not have known

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about it oh please yeah yeah absolutely

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now as far as Dodi himself yeah he

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definitely was an OSI agent he's not

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making that up because when I was in

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there was a project that I was working

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on and first time I heard about Dodi I

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was an OSI agent and his name was

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brought up by my supervisor as kind of a

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cautionary tale that something he had

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worked now of course now we know that

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what it involved by I learned

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subsequently you know that it involved

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bennewitz and all that stuff but at the

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time this was in ninety four or five he

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was brought up to me as kind of a

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cautionary tale so yes to go back to

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what you're saying absolutely if he was

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involved in that I could totally see

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something like that being so compared

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analyzed that sure and even though I was

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cleared for weird and did what I did

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absolutely there were stuff going on I'm

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sure that I didn't know about we have to

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break here if we got Walter Bosley Jean

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[Music]

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hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

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para cast the gold standard of

620
00:27:07,249 --> 00:27:05,309
paranormal radio I would assume then

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Walter that you probably therefore

622
00:27:11,749 --> 00:27:09,359
because things are compartmentalize need

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00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:11,759
to know it all that you probably are not

624
00:27:18,139 --> 00:27:14,850
written in on what Dodi was doing

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00:27:21,229 --> 00:27:18,149
remeasure Dodi he was not active and

626
00:27:22,879 --> 00:27:21,239
doing the stuff when I was in I don't

627
00:27:27,109 --> 00:27:22,889
know what he was doing you know

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00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:27,119
specifically between 1994 and 99 but

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obviously the stuff he had done I think

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with was in the eighties and such but

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00:27:36,139 --> 00:27:33,659
the thing about here's the interesting

632
00:27:39,379 --> 00:27:36,149
thing about your clearances you get read

633
00:27:42,649 --> 00:27:39,389
in as they call it and you get cleared

634
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:42,659
to a certain level like I have T SSCI

635
00:27:46,909 --> 00:27:44,730
and then I have what we call tickets

636
00:27:49,159 --> 00:27:46,919
beyond that and then I'm not allowed to

637
00:27:51,769 --> 00:27:49,169
say how many tickets I have beyond SC I

638
00:27:54,169 --> 00:27:51,779
or within the sei structure now that

639
00:27:55,940 --> 00:27:54,179
they talk about a SAP acronym publicly

640
00:27:59,149 --> 00:27:55,950
yeah I was beyond that I was in a SAP

641
00:28:01,310 --> 00:27:59,159
now what that means is you get read in

642
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:01,320
to a certain level so that you can be

643
00:28:08,419 --> 00:28:05,039
can be exposed to everything up to that

644
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:08,429
level just in case you need to be okay

645
00:28:12,019 --> 00:28:10,710
so that's why a lot of times when you

646
00:28:15,409 --> 00:28:12,029
hear guys talk about their clearance

647
00:28:18,049 --> 00:28:15,419
they kind of don't qualify it I try to I

648
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apologize if I've said it once and

649
00:28:21,619 --> 00:28:19,739
haven't qualified it but I try to

650
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qualify and say look this was my

651
00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:23,730
clearance level it doesn't mean you're

652
00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:25,799
read in on everything so you know some

653
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:27,059
folks like to say oh I had a high

654
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,559
clearance well it doesn't mean you you

655
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:31,200
you knew as much as your you know you

656
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:33,809
want people to think you did but when I

657
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:35,730
got my briefings the way you're sitting

658
00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:37,320
there and the things they're you know

659
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because they're showing you images and

660
00:28:45,409 --> 00:28:41,850
they're explaining things to you in a

661
00:28:48,409 --> 00:28:45,419
way when you get to a certain level you

662
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:48,419
come away realizing okay what they just

663
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read me into was just

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general enough that they could fit you

665
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know anything in there in other words

666
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here's what I'm trying to say you come

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away realizing you were actually cleared

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for more than you know youth you thought

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you were because as you learn more

670
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things you realize oh okay the way that

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works the way that fits within the

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technology and the applications of these

673
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things in the systems that fits this

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00:29:30,260 --> 00:29:27,960
thing that I was briefed in on okay

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that's why they do that because in your

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your day to day work the course of your

677
00:29:38,990 --> 00:29:34,950
duties you know you're gonna get exposed

678
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:39,000
to specific programs specific

679
00:29:43,460 --> 00:29:41,250
technologies specific little things and

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00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:43,470
they want to make sure that they kind of

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across the board cleared you you know

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for that like if you get briefed in on

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00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:49,650
something to do with satellite

684
00:29:54,980 --> 00:29:52,490
operations okay the way they briefed it

685
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it's classified with the you know the

686
00:30:00,650 --> 00:29:57,210
details are classified but the way they

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briefed it any satellite stuff you would

688
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get briefed in on or learn about after

689
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that up to your level is covered under

690
00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:08,730
what they told you about does that

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release yet that does make perfect sense

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00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:14,929
actually yeah so in terms of

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coordinating all of the intelligence is

694
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how high up do you have to go and how

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00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:24,450
many people are there who coordinate the

696
00:30:28,430 --> 00:30:26,820
stuff that matters I mean it can't just

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go into some filing cabinet where nobody

698
00:30:31,970 --> 00:30:29,880
looks at it there must be some ones

699
00:30:34,190 --> 00:30:31,980
someone who says okay what would we do

700
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,200
with all of this stuff oh yeah there is

701
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,200
how does that work well for instance the

702
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OSI has something called the IO the

703
00:30:44,150 --> 00:30:41,730
investigative Operations Center and

704
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:44,160
those are guys you know the OSI

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00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:46,650
headquarters base and they are just that

706
00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:49,050
they are the investigative Operations

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00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:50,940
Center when you're doing any kind of ops

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or any kind of investigation that

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00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:56,880
requires operational activity these are

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00:31:01,159 --> 00:30:58,770
the guys at headquarters that they have

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00:31:03,140 --> 00:31:01,169
all the pieces okay you're out in the

712
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:03,150
field you're working the issue that

713
00:31:06,779 --> 00:31:05,970
you're working and it might it might

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have connect

715
00:31:12,329 --> 00:31:09,999
to somebody else's operation or somebody

716
00:31:15,419 --> 00:31:12,339
else's case or some other agency's

717
00:31:19,199 --> 00:31:15,429
activities or the the the IOC the I och

718
00:31:21,299 --> 00:31:19,209
they you know they let you know what you

719
00:31:24,209 --> 00:31:21,309
need to know regarding that so if it's

720
00:31:26,249 --> 00:31:24,219
going to affect your activity or if you

721
00:31:27,869 --> 00:31:26,259
need to not do this or if you need to do

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00:31:30,769 --> 00:31:27,879
something in conjunction with another

723
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:30,779
agency you know so just within the

724
00:31:36,449 --> 00:31:33,849
microcosm of the Air Force OSI we have

725
00:31:39,659 --> 00:31:36,459
that okay now they'll work in

726
00:31:42,180 --> 00:31:39,669
conjunction with Intel analysts at DIA

727
00:31:44,879 --> 00:31:42,190
because it's Air Force you know Defense

728
00:31:47,789 --> 00:31:44,889
Intelligence Agency they'll also work

729
00:31:50,449 --> 00:31:47,799
with they'll coordinate with CIA

730
00:31:54,139 --> 00:31:50,459
everything I did when I was at

731
00:31:56,249 --> 00:31:54,149
wright-patterson when it came to the

732
00:32:00,719 --> 00:31:56,259
overseas the you know the international

733
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:00,729
foreign soil aspects we work or it had

734
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:04,329
to be coordinated with CIA specifically

735
00:32:10,589 --> 00:32:06,129
what you know the kind of stuff we did

736
00:32:13,369 --> 00:32:10,599
in this specialty so yes you have people

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at your own headquarters level at OSI

738
00:32:18,479 --> 00:32:16,179
also there was an aspect of what I did

739
00:32:21,209 --> 00:32:18,489
that right path that I was working with

740
00:32:25,109 --> 00:32:21,219
our guys at the Pentagon almost daily so

741
00:32:29,219 --> 00:32:25,119
we had you know um analysts operational

742
00:32:31,529 --> 00:32:29,229
oversight guys at the Pentagon that I

743
00:32:33,539 --> 00:32:31,539
actually reported more to OSI

744
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:33,549
headquarters in the Pentagon than I did

745
00:32:37,859 --> 00:32:35,919
my own commander interestingly enough I

746
00:32:39,779 --> 00:32:37,869
was assigned a detachment 101 at

747
00:32:41,459 --> 00:32:39,789
wright-patterson Air Force Base and my

748
00:32:44,099 --> 00:32:41,469
commander Lieutenant Colonel McDonough

749
00:32:46,409 --> 00:32:44,109
would write my performance review and he

750
00:32:48,449 --> 00:32:46,419
would give me you know local additional

751
00:32:50,459 --> 00:32:48,459
duty tasks and I would do stuff for the

752
00:32:53,789 --> 00:32:50,469
detachment but really our discussions

753
00:32:55,739 --> 00:32:53,799
about my work was most of the time me

754
00:32:56,999 --> 00:32:55,749
going over to his office and informing

755
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:57,009
him what we were up to

756
00:33:01,139 --> 00:32:59,679
it wasn't me going and him saying okay

757
00:33:03,449 --> 00:33:01,149
you work on this case you work on we

758
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:03,459
didn't do that it was me going over

759
00:33:07,169 --> 00:33:05,049
saying well this is what headquarters

760
00:33:08,909 --> 00:33:07,179
this is what you know the program has us

761
00:33:11,729 --> 00:33:08,919
doing so it was kind of a unique

762
00:33:14,009 --> 00:33:11,739
situation that makes perfect sense

763
00:33:16,649 --> 00:33:14,019
so yeah actually we are always working

764
00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:16,659
with analysts and oversight yeah okay so

765
00:33:21,769 --> 00:33:19,740
then of course wright-patterson that's

766
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:21,779
that names brought up quite a bit in in

767
00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:25,200
the ecology community so did you have

768
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:28,140
any exposure to any of that while you

769
00:33:34,460 --> 00:33:33,450
were there not as such and that's the

770
00:33:38,060 --> 00:33:34,470
way they do it

771
00:33:40,909 --> 00:33:38,070
there obviously would be things you know

772
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:40,919
that because of your commitments to your

773
00:33:45,169 --> 00:33:42,090
former employer

774
00:33:47,810 --> 00:33:45,179
you couldn't reveal oh of course and I

775
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:47,820
won't all right so you may know all

776
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:49,770
sorts of secrets that will never get a

777
00:33:56,330 --> 00:33:52,529
handle on until or unless you're able to

778
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:56,340
overcome that pledge as I say what it is

779
00:34:02,330 --> 00:34:00,000
is you get I've certainly briefed in on

780
00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:02,340
certain technologies that could explain

781
00:34:09,339 --> 00:34:04,860
some what you know the public perceives

782
00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:09,349
as UFOs yes yeah sure that that would be

783
00:34:14,899 --> 00:34:11,790
trust real technology that'd be our own

784
00:34:16,669 --> 00:34:14,909
stuff you know secret aircraft sr-71s or

785
00:34:18,349 --> 00:34:16,679
whatever yeah and I've said well and

786
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:18,359
other things you know I I said it before

787
00:34:22,820 --> 00:34:21,510
you know I think that and people don't

788
00:34:26,540 --> 00:34:22,830
like to hear this but you know I think

789
00:34:27,889 --> 00:34:26,550
90% of what you know most people look at

790
00:34:30,829 --> 00:34:27,899
and they think is a UFO from another

791
00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:30,839
world there is really some type of

792
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:32,280
classified technology whether it's

793
00:34:35,540 --> 00:34:33,810
military or whether it's the private

794
00:34:40,700 --> 00:34:35,550
sector testing something you know that's

795
00:34:45,649 --> 00:34:40,710
proprietary but you know I it's it's my

796
00:34:47,060 --> 00:34:45,659
opinion that that day a long time ago

797
00:34:49,399 --> 00:34:47,070
realize the best way that for the

798
00:34:52,460 --> 00:34:49,409
government have deniability is to hand

799
00:34:56,570 --> 00:34:52,470
custodianship of whatever et stuff for

800
00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:56,580
example over to a private contractor you

801
00:35:00,980 --> 00:34:58,530
know so that the government can say oh

802
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,990
we're not we're not holding UFOs or any

803
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:03,119
of this crash retrieval stuff but you

804
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:05,250
know the truth is a private contractor

805
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:06,720
that they may have even set up and

806
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:09,180
created for this purpose is holding that

807
00:35:13,060 --> 00:35:11,310
and as a private contractor that makes

808
00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:13,070
them a private corporation and that

809
00:35:18,740 --> 00:35:16,680
makes what they have proprietary now

810
00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:18,750
what is something that wouldn't a some

811
00:35:22,930 --> 00:35:21,540
of the companies doing independent space

812
00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:22,940
flights

813
00:35:33,020 --> 00:35:30,300
SpaceX etc be the ideal places to work

814
00:35:33,590 --> 00:35:33,030
with what does Elon Musk know that he

815
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:33,600
can't

816
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:36,510
I'm being in maybe half right facetious

817
00:35:42,260 --> 00:35:39,510
here but based on what you say Walter

818
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:42,270
that seems to make a lot of sense that

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sure if you're going to choose a company

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with it you'd pick a place that it

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Falcon 5 may be based on some secret

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nothing about or when Tesla is a Tesla

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developed from reverse engineered alien

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question half seriously but if we're

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picking private companies working with

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this technology any technologists new

949
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developments whether ours or reverse

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engineered wouldn't a SpaceX or similar

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company be an ideal candidate yeah maybe

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yes but probably no I you know from my

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experience what you're gonna have are

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the usual suspects the major aerospace

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companies okay they're gonna have

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divisions that are they're sensitive you

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know well their own version of a special

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access program within their company it's

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probably going to be something more like

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that because those companies have been

961
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doing aerospace things a lot longer than

962
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Elon Musk you know guys like hammer or

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Branson or whatever that now where where

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they could be useful would be in the

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perception management end of you know

966
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whatever would be you know being done

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with secret space technology okay these

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guys would be useful for what they would

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want to you know the military whatever

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would want to project in the public

971
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psyche about what's going on but I I

972
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would think you know going back to that

973
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traditional military industrial complex

974
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that's more likely the guys who are

975
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gonna be creating this technology for

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the military okay and the other thing is

977
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Elon Musk is a loose cannon let's face

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it he can be kind of wacky

979
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yeah they're very in what we're talking

980
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about here the the DoD the military in

981
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general and particularly the Air Force

982
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you know they're very conservative in

983
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their security values you might sitting

984
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and so the exactly they would rather go

985
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with Boeing and the structure that

986
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they've set up for checking into

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people's backgrounds and you know the

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relationship they've had with a company

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like that

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over the decades then go with you know a

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guy like musk as much as I

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courage like what musk is doing what

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00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:16,619
Branson is doing you know I want to see

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the average person have access to space

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travel ultimately yeah but they're not

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going to get the same type of stuff

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that's going on inside like a Lockheed

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or Lockheed Lana right but this is

999
00:43:37,210 --> 00:43:32,730
really interesting because it makes a

1000
00:43:40,220 --> 00:43:37,220
perfect segue into up at that level of

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compartmentalization and secrecy we can

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00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:42,780
segue out into this idea that we've

1003
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touched on before here and in the

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forum's about this sort of a you've

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generically called it a breakaway

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civilization or when we got into it in

1007
00:43:56,990 --> 00:43:54,780
our discussions a little bit more it's

1008
00:43:59,210 --> 00:43:57,000
almost as if it's possible that this

1009
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could be something that is not simply

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like say a separate civilization off in

1011
00:44:05,540 --> 00:44:03,930
bowels of Antarctica somewhere but

1012
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:05,550
something that's almost integrated

1013
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within our own right structure to the

1014
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:09,930
point where it's invisible to the rest

1015
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:12,510
of us almost like a parallel maybe a

1016
00:44:18,620 --> 00:44:16,050
parallel organization of types so and

1017
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:18,630
can you theorized or speculate or what

1018
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:21,420
types of things have led you to where

1019
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:23,250
some connection between these people in

1020
00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:26,570
higher-ups in our society and this

1021
00:44:31,490 --> 00:44:29,880
theorized breakaway civilization well

1022
00:44:33,740 --> 00:44:31,500
like you know just like you just said

1023
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,750
you know it's all theory yeah and and I

1024
00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:36,000
know I've written an entire you know

1025
00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:38,790
well one of my books is on you know this

1026
00:44:43,849 --> 00:44:41,700
breakaway thing so yeah I'm kind of I'm

1027
00:44:45,710 --> 00:44:43,859
kind of all in there on that concept

1028
00:44:49,250 --> 00:44:45,720
that's that's a fact

1029
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:49,260
but still it is it is a theory and some

1030
00:44:53,180 --> 00:44:51,090
people have this I've said this before

1031
00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:53,190
or I'll keep saying it there's a lot of

1032
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:54,420
people out there that have the idea that

1033
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:55,530
when they think of breakaway

1034
00:45:00,800 --> 00:44:58,050
civilization days or secret space

1035
00:45:05,090 --> 00:45:00,810
program but breakaway civilization they

1036
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,100
think of these mysterious trillionaires

1037
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:08,640
who have like the Starfleet these

1038
00:45:13,940 --> 00:45:10,890
advanced incredibly large ships and

1039
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:13,950
they're living in these amazing bachelor

1040
00:45:19,010 --> 00:45:16,290
mansions under domes on the moon or some

1041
00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:19,020
other planet and I just slapped my

1042
00:45:23,210 --> 00:45:21,540
forehead and just god it's more like

1043
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:23,220
what you said you know these guys

1044
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:24,930
they're a little more no pun intended

1045
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,510
down to earth

1046
00:45:31,540 --> 00:45:28,640
in their existence you know they're just

1047
00:45:34,210 --> 00:45:31,550
people that have the sufficient means

1048
00:45:36,370 --> 00:45:34,220
you know go back to Dolan's basic

1049
00:45:37,810 --> 00:45:36,380
definition and I'm just paraphrasing but

1050
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:37,820
you know you're talking about people to

1051
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:40,160
have the sufficient means to develop and

1052
00:45:47,370 --> 00:45:43,760
possess a technology independent of the

1053
00:45:50,830 --> 00:45:47,380
rest of you know known civilization now

1054
00:45:53,890 --> 00:45:50,840
sure it's very possible that this wasn't

1055
00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:53,900
in developed entirely independently when

1056
00:45:56,500 --> 00:45:55,430
you're talking about anybody involved

1057
00:45:58,750 --> 00:45:56,510
particularly with the

1058
00:46:01,480 --> 00:45:58,760
military-industrial complex it's my

1059
00:46:06,010 --> 00:46:01,490
opinion that our military industrial

1060
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:06,020
complex is itself a product of the

1061
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:09,410
Prussian / German method of going around

1062
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:12,410
the world and exporting the German

1063
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:15,920
Prussian model of industry to use that

1064
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:18,800
new host country's resources to then

1065
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:22,400
build your own thing wherever you are in

1066
00:46:24,970 --> 00:46:22,880
the world

1067
00:46:27,550 --> 00:46:24,980
Hjalmar Schacht was doing this during

1068
00:46:29,650 --> 00:46:27,560
the world war ii era it was act it's

1069
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:29,660
actually been a model since the medieval

1070
00:46:35,710 --> 00:46:32,810
era of the Prussian States and the

1071
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:35,720
oppression kingdom and stuff so I see

1072
00:46:42,070 --> 00:46:38,330
our military complex and excuse me our

1073
00:46:47,530 --> 00:46:42,080
military industrial complex as a product

1074
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,540
of that exact plan of exporting you know

1075
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,760
from the German model into a foreign

1076
00:46:53,530 --> 00:46:51,440
country I think this is what the

1077
00:46:55,660 --> 00:46:53,540
Operation Paperclip guys were really up

1078
00:46:56,890 --> 00:46:55,670
to I think you know Operation Paperclip

1079
00:46:58,420 --> 00:46:56,900
they saw this

1080
00:47:00,820 --> 00:46:58,430
oh here's how we get into the United

1081
00:47:03,460 --> 00:47:00,830
States we know Germany itself has its

1082
00:47:06,430 --> 00:47:03,470
butt kicked this war is over but you

1083
00:47:07,540 --> 00:47:06,440
know our thing can continue on and you

1084
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:07,550
know when you look at how many of those

1085
00:47:10,270 --> 00:47:08,480
Operation Paperclip

1086
00:47:11,950 --> 00:47:10,280
you know Germans were involved in the

1087
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:11,960
building of our aerospace industry at

1088
00:47:17,380 --> 00:47:13,850
that time and in the military industrial

1089
00:47:19,930 --> 00:47:17,390
complex you know there you go

1090
00:47:22,860 --> 00:47:19,940
and that's what I mean when I say okay

1091
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:22,870
they probably this theoretical breakaway

1092
00:47:32,290 --> 00:47:27,170
they probably used our resources our

1093
00:47:35,170 --> 00:47:32,300
military our companies to develop you

1094
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:35,180
know these breakaway technologies so in

1095
00:47:40,270 --> 00:47:38,510
that case theoretically it would be tied

1096
00:47:42,490 --> 00:47:40,280
to our known

1097
00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:42,500
industry right are known companies and

1098
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,510
these guys would you know they wouldn't

1099
00:47:48,970 --> 00:47:46,640
live in domes on the moon they you know

1100
00:47:50,980 --> 00:47:48,980
they'd live where rich guys live you

1101
00:47:53,980 --> 00:47:50,990
know and Rhode Island or Beverly Hills

1102
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:53,990
or you know wherever in the Hamptons

1103
00:47:59,980 --> 00:47:57,650
you'll find people yes were part of the

1104
00:48:01,630 --> 00:47:59,990
breakaway civilization so they're hiding

1105
00:48:04,690 --> 00:48:01,640
in plain sight they're not going to end

1106
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:04,700
our today they're here right yeah that's

1107
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:07,730
my that's what I think and in in like

1108
00:48:12,370 --> 00:48:09,890
the secret space program the technology

1109
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:12,380
you know know folks that there's not

1110
00:48:17,580 --> 00:48:15,110
likely a Starship Enterprise a fleet of

1111
00:48:22,450 --> 00:48:17,590
Starship Enterprise it's my opinion that

1112
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:22,460
a secret space program vessel most

1113
00:48:27,250 --> 00:48:24,770
likely at this point is there they're

1114
00:48:30,010 --> 00:48:27,260
mostly if not only interplanetary so to

1115
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,020
speak and they they would look and

1116
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:32,720
operate pretty much like a Navy

1117
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:35,330
submarine when you think about it the

1118
00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:36,650
navies of the world that have had

1119
00:48:41,170 --> 00:48:38,990
submarines for a hundred years now have

1120
00:48:42,490 --> 00:48:41,180
been developing the same exact

1121
00:48:44,110 --> 00:48:42,500
technology you would need for an

1122
00:48:46,810 --> 00:48:44,120
interplanetary vessel it's it's

1123
00:48:49,180 --> 00:48:46,820
self-contained it's operates in a

1124
00:48:51,580 --> 00:48:49,190
hostile environment right there's got to

1125
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:51,590
be life-support function on it you just

1126
00:48:55,540 --> 00:48:53,090
take the an I'm not the first guy to say

1127
00:48:57,220 --> 00:48:55,550
this you just take the concept of the

1128
00:48:59,500 --> 00:48:57,230
submarine and you put it in space and I

1129
00:49:03,040 --> 00:48:59,510
think that's what which implies also a

1130
00:49:05,710 --> 00:49:03,050
smaller you know more a little bit more

1131
00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:05,720
realistic and rudimentary type of craft

1132
00:49:10,930 --> 00:49:08,390
then you know what some of these people

1133
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:10,940
are proposing like again the Starship

1134
00:49:16,030 --> 00:49:13,280
Enterprise are the Karelian cruiser and

1135
00:49:18,430 --> 00:49:16,040
Star Wars or whatever yes what you're

1136
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:18,440
talking about here is it still has to be

1137
00:49:25,180 --> 00:49:21,650
a place that can contain a crew for a

1138
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:25,190
very long period of time years mate

1139
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:29,090
right well that depends on what

1140
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:31,280
propulsion systems they've developed of

1141
00:49:37,420 --> 00:49:35,810
course warp seven yeah if they have some

1142
00:49:40,030 --> 00:49:37,430
type of propulsion system that they've

1143
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:40,040
worked out that they can get to Mars in

1144
00:49:46,060 --> 00:49:43,520
you know two weeks well okay

1145
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:46,070
you know that that changes that game and

1146
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:48,650
again I say if I know somebody out there

1147
00:49:51,970 --> 00:49:50,510
is gonna say Bosley saying then get to

1148
00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:51,980
Mars in two weeks just because you know

1149
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:53,270
they hate me or whatever and they want

1150
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:53,450
to

1151
00:50:00,670 --> 00:49:55,730
something but you know I'm saying if

1152
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:00,680
they have this you know it did it's not

1153
00:50:06,910 --> 00:50:03,650
necessarily the model of you know it

1154
00:50:08,859 --> 00:50:06,920
takes years to get somewhere right this

1155
00:50:10,329 --> 00:50:08,869
is where you know when we say if and and

1156
00:50:12,430 --> 00:50:10,339
it's fine to speculate that this is

1157
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,440
where we tend to sort of step further

1158
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:14,480
and further and further out on the

1159
00:50:19,180 --> 00:50:17,359
branch until we have to barely hanging

1160
00:50:22,890 --> 00:50:19,190
on to a little you know kind of a twig

1161
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:22,900
at the end here and inserting my versus

1162
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:26,000
my question here and then would be okay

1163
00:50:31,089 --> 00:50:28,310
so we've got these guys up at the top of

1164
00:50:33,310 --> 00:50:31,099
the fuzzy that you were talking about in

1165
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:33,320
this central zone the people with all

1166
00:50:39,849 --> 00:50:37,280
the pieces who are responsible depending

1167
00:50:41,770 --> 00:50:39,859
on whichever group you're involved with

1168
00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:41,780
who are responsible for putting it all

1169
00:50:45,819 --> 00:50:44,150
together and therefore know all about

1170
00:50:48,370 --> 00:50:45,829
the people they brought over after the

1171
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:48,380
war in Germany how they created the

1172
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:50,930
rocket program at White Sands right know

1173
00:50:56,349 --> 00:50:53,119
they provided them with all of the

1174
00:50:59,770 --> 00:50:56,359
resources to do that yes and therefore

1175
00:51:01,839 --> 00:50:59,780
they must know about this other program

1176
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:01,849
if there was such a thing that could get

1177
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:03,890
somebody to Mars in a couple of weeks we

1178
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:05,810
got more to come with Randall Jean and

1179
00:51:23,620 --> 00:51:19,640
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1225
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1226
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1227
00:53:56,650 --> 00:53:53,780
here's Jane Steinberg but in looking at

1228
00:54:00,220 --> 00:53:56,660
this here are we thinking here that

1229
00:54:03,220 --> 00:54:00,230
there may be some technology being

1230
00:54:06,220 --> 00:54:03,230
developed that did come from some

1231
00:54:09,220 --> 00:54:06,230
outside source that is not the bridge

1232
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:09,230
away civilization and not our normal

1233
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:12,530
earth countries it is my personal

1234
00:54:19,180 --> 00:54:15,530
opinion that a small degree of that is

1235
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:19,190
is certainly possible I'm I think so not

1236
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:21,650
to the extent that the the people who

1237
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:25,730
love the et hypothesis and the UFO crash

1238
00:54:33,460 --> 00:54:30,170
retrieval stories and and legends would

1239
00:54:35,620 --> 00:54:33,470
like to be but yeah to some degree

1240
00:54:37,540 --> 00:54:35,630
certainly to go back to what Randall was

1241
00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:37,550
saying though yeah you know where I was

1242
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:37,849
going

1243
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:40,160
right how could we not know that that's

1244
00:54:45,220 --> 00:54:42,490
going on and then still be using

1245
00:54:47,290 --> 00:54:45,230
comparatively outdated technology from

1246
00:54:49,870 --> 00:54:47,300
the cost of billions of dollars when

1247
00:54:52,329 --> 00:54:49,880
they must know about this other stuff

1248
00:54:54,579 --> 00:54:52,339
well here's here's the thing on that my

1249
00:54:55,900 --> 00:54:54,589
position is this and again this is what

1250
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:55,910
I've looked at and what I've written

1251
00:54:59,859 --> 00:54:58,160
proposed first of all I don't think the

1252
00:55:03,640 --> 00:54:59,869
secret space program technology is

1253
00:55:05,410 --> 00:55:03,650
really that extensively far ahead of

1254
00:55:07,809 --> 00:55:05,420
what the public knows about regarding

1255
00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:07,819
space and military technology okay I

1256
00:55:14,319 --> 00:55:10,040
think it's sufficiently far enough ahead

1257
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:14,329
that yeah it would wow us some of it

1258
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:17,810
well I I think that it's not so

1259
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:19,520
sufficiently far ahead that we would

1260
00:55:23,740 --> 00:55:22,160
perceive it as magic - you know

1261
00:55:25,660 --> 00:55:23,750
paraphrase the science fiction author

1262
00:55:28,990 --> 00:55:25,670
but here's the thing on who would know

1263
00:55:32,170 --> 00:55:29,000
it remember the Air Force OSI commander

1264
00:55:35,319 --> 00:55:32,180
is only ever a brigadier general a

1265
00:55:37,150 --> 00:55:35,329
one-star general okay and when you're

1266
00:55:40,750 --> 00:55:37,160
talking about what we're talking about

1267
00:55:43,390 --> 00:55:40,760
not everybody a very small number of OSI

1268
00:55:45,069 --> 00:55:43,400
would be aware of what you're saying

1269
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:45,079
certain people would have to be aware of

1270
00:55:49,870 --> 00:55:47,930
you can have people this is the the

1271
00:55:51,700 --> 00:55:49,880
point of one of the products

1272
00:55:53,710 --> 00:55:51,710
reasons from compartmentalization you

1273
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:53,720
can be working on something and really

1274
00:55:58,720 --> 00:55:55,690
have no clue what it is you're actually

1275
00:56:01,090 --> 00:55:58,730
ultimately a part of okay you're doing

1276
00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:01,100
your duty and you understand your task

1277
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:04,070
and the stuff you're not briefed in on

1278
00:56:09,790 --> 00:56:07,370
is the bigger picture so you have people

1279
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:09,800
that within the organization that are

1280
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:11,930
that maybe it would certainly be working

1281
00:56:17,380 --> 00:56:14,090
on things connected to stuff they don't

1282
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:17,390
know about and only a few people when

1283
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:18,770
you're talking about a secret space

1284
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:20,690
program you know you're not talking

1285
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:22,730
about a lot of people even with an OSI

1286
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:25,760
that would be briefed in on that and no

1287
00:56:31,330 --> 00:56:28,730
details about that okay now the other

1288
00:56:33,550 --> 00:56:31,340
thing here is if there was alien

1289
00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:33,560
technology some degree of it involved

1290
00:56:39,850 --> 00:56:37,670
the point is here we'd get a very small

1291
00:56:42,430 --> 00:56:39,860
subset of it because some of it is so

1292
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:42,440
advanced there's no easy way that maybe

1293
00:56:49,390 --> 00:56:45,170
earth or understand unless it's a

1294
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,400
civilization on another planet where for

1295
00:56:53,020 --> 00:56:51,200
some reason and we've seen this in

1296
00:56:56,260 --> 00:56:53,030
sci-fi stories they've stopped

1297
00:56:59,110 --> 00:56:56,270
developing new technology or it's left

1298
00:57:02,800 --> 00:56:59,120
there by their ancients and they develop

1299
00:57:05,530 --> 00:57:02,810
nothing and that's a pretty good point I

1300
00:57:10,210 --> 00:57:05,540
mean that we may not be dealing with

1301
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:10,220
technology exclusively like ours there

1302
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:11,690
may be some kind of this is what I was

1303
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:13,370
trying to get at is where's the line

1304
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:16,730
between say assuming that there might be

1305
00:57:20,860 --> 00:57:19,130
some alien technology involved and just

1306
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:20,870
really advanced technology of our own

1307
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:23,330
that only a few people know about or and

1308
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:26,650
and I would think that any space program

1309
00:57:30,070 --> 00:57:28,850
regardless of whether it's when we know

1310
00:57:32,110 --> 00:57:30,080
about her we don't know about he's going

1311
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:32,120
to require a lot of infrastructure and

1312
00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:34,130
support so it's not like you can have

1313
00:57:38,350 --> 00:57:36,110
two or three people built like you know

1314
00:57:41,050 --> 00:57:38,360
a mothership or something it's just you

1315
00:57:42,820 --> 00:57:41,060
can't do it oh no it's not gonna be two

1316
00:57:45,660 --> 00:57:42,830
or three but you know no you're gonna

1317
00:57:48,250 --> 00:57:45,670
need thousands of people to do this okay

1318
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:48,260
here's a hypothetical okay remember what

1319
00:57:51,370 --> 00:57:49,520
I said before about how an

1320
00:57:54,220 --> 00:57:51,380
interplanetary vessel would probably

1321
00:57:57,490 --> 00:57:54,230
very much like a submarine okay well

1322
00:57:59,410 --> 00:57:57,500
okay let's take that model okay folks

1323
00:58:01,780 --> 00:57:59,420
this is a speculation for those of you

1324
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:01,790
who hate when I speculate I love it go

1325
00:58:06,370 --> 00:58:03,530
get some coffee

1326
00:58:06,730 --> 00:58:06,380
just load your ears okay here's the

1327
00:58:09,850 --> 00:58:06,740
thing

1328
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:09,860
you could have shipbuilders thinking

1329
00:58:15,370 --> 00:58:11,770
they're building a US Naval Submarine

1330
00:58:17,650 --> 00:58:15,380
okay when actually that those parts

1331
00:58:21,340 --> 00:58:17,660
they're building are going to be you

1332
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:21,350
know they put it together even and thus

1333
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:23,690
the components and I'm gonna say why I

1334
00:58:27,220 --> 00:58:25,280
say components here in a minute

1335
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:27,230
certain components are not in there

1336
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:28,970
because those components are classified

1337
00:58:35,260 --> 00:58:32,330
and those components actually turn that

1338
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:35,270
Naval Submarine into for example and

1339
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:36,650
this is remember this is a speculation

1340
00:58:41,950 --> 00:58:40,310
into an interplanetary vessel okay so

1341
00:58:43,930 --> 00:58:41,960
what these guys think they're building

1342
00:58:45,850 --> 00:58:43,940
is ooh I'm working on this advanced

1343
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:45,860
submarine that the public doesn't know

1344
00:58:48,790 --> 00:58:47,450
about they think they're building a

1345
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:48,800
naval vessel that's gonna be in the

1346
00:58:51,610 --> 00:58:50,090
oceans and what they don't know is

1347
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:51,620
they're actually building an

1348
00:58:57,610 --> 00:58:54,290
interplanetary vessel now the components

1349
00:58:59,980 --> 00:58:57,620
that make it you know for space instead

1350
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,990
of the sea are plugged in later one of

1351
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:01,760
the first things I did when I got to

1352
00:59:06,010 --> 00:59:04,160
wright-patterson was I I have an AOR

1353
00:59:09,010 --> 00:59:06,020
area of responsibility it was a

1354
00:59:10,300 --> 00:59:09,020
geographical area several states okay

1355
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:10,310
yes I was assigned to wright-patterson

1356
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:14,930
but I actually was the guy for certain

1357
00:59:21,610 --> 00:59:18,770
things for all Air Force installations

1358
00:59:24,490 --> 00:59:21,620
in several states it's a region of the

1359
00:59:26,740 --> 00:59:24,500
US and I I did my tour of my area of

1360
00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:26,750
responsibility and one of the places I

1361
00:59:32,620 --> 00:59:28,310
went to was Whiteman Air Force Base and

1362
00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:32,630
I got to go on a b-2 bomber okay and you

1363
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:34,310
know it was interesting there's a bunch

1364
00:59:39,460 --> 00:59:37,610
of holes in the - so to speak perfect

1365
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:39,470
control you know and that's the

1366
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:41,210
classified stuff that gets plugged in

1367
00:59:46,270 --> 00:59:44,210
okay so let's put that on steroids and

1368
00:59:48,190 --> 00:59:46,280
say there's things that the guys working

1369
00:59:49,810 --> 00:59:48,200
down at the shipyard building what they

1370
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,820
think is a secret US Naval Submarine

1371
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:51,920
there's things you know they're not

1372
00:59:56,170 --> 00:59:53,570
gonna be briefed in on they don't know

1373
00:59:58,570 --> 00:59:56,180
what those empty slots are gonna be

1374
01:00:00,400 --> 00:59:58,580
filled with so that's just an example of

1375
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:00,410
how it could happen with known

1376
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:02,330
technology and the way they do things

1377
01:00:07,690 --> 01:00:06,400
and remember guys I went on that b2 in

1378
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:07,700
1996

1379
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:11,450
okay that's 22 years ago so you know

1380
01:00:16,450 --> 01:00:14,110
take it take it forward 22 years again

1381
01:00:19,359 --> 01:00:16,460
the point is

1382
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:19,369
these things could be built in pieces

1383
01:00:24,550 --> 01:00:22,250
put together at another place or in

1384
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:24,560
space these things could be built and

1385
01:00:30,010 --> 01:00:27,200
the people building them are told it's a

1386
01:00:32,530 --> 01:00:30,020
when it's actually Z this is how it

1387
01:00:34,570 --> 01:00:32,540
works you know that's that's just the

1388
01:00:37,540 --> 01:00:34,580
example that I would give for how you

1389
01:00:39,730 --> 01:00:37,550
could have thousands of people actually

1390
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:39,740
working to to build these things and

1391
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:43,250
only a relative few so to speak know

1392
01:00:47,020 --> 01:00:44,960
actually what it is and what it

1393
01:00:50,020 --> 01:00:47,030
ultimately would be used for now let's

1394
01:00:52,780 --> 01:00:50,030
get back to the early years of the UFO

1395
01:00:56,250 --> 01:00:52,790
field where a lot of that stuff was in

1396
01:01:00,640 --> 01:00:56,260
the secret aircraft or weapons category

1397
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:00,650
now you mentioned something randall

1398
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:03,290
about the cover of kenneth Arnold's book

1399
01:01:10,060 --> 01:01:06,770
about what supposedly is one of the

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01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:10,070
craft that he saw and you mentioned

1401
01:01:15,010 --> 01:01:11,599
something about stealth technology

1402
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:15,020
do you require it explain Walter about

1403
01:01:19,900 --> 01:01:17,510
that Oh Walter probably already knows

1404
01:01:23,050 --> 01:01:19,910
about the evolution of stealth

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01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:23,060
technology and how the early Horton

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01:01:27,609 --> 01:01:25,280
brothers designs for the flying wing

1407
01:01:29,530 --> 01:01:27,619
turned out to be almost perfect era

1408
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:29,540
forms for that and of course being on a

1409
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:33,170
b2 the wingspan for that was the same as

1410
01:01:40,210 --> 01:01:37,250
the YB 47 you know so you know they came

1411
01:01:41,770 --> 01:01:40,220
out of Northrup technology so it's

1412
01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:41,780
something that's that was developed here

1413
01:01:46,810 --> 01:01:43,849
on earth we don't really need to invoke

1414
01:01:48,550 --> 01:01:46,820
aliens for for any of that so that's the

1415
01:01:52,660 --> 01:01:48,560
Kenneth Arnold sighting may have been

1416
01:01:54,370 --> 01:01:52,670
test aircraft of some sort it could have

1417
01:01:56,050 --> 01:01:54,380
been but then all of the records that we

1418
01:01:58,780 --> 01:01:56,060
can find from back there say that that's

1419
01:02:00,040 --> 01:01:58,790
really not what was going on they

1420
01:02:01,750 --> 01:02:00,050
weren't testing any of those they

1421
01:02:03,099 --> 01:02:01,760
weren't even you know they weren't

1422
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:03,109
building any and there weren't any in

1423
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:05,680
the area at the time and they weren't

1424
01:02:14,530 --> 01:02:08,240
capable of the kind of performance that

1425
01:02:16,859 --> 01:02:14,540
he said what he saw exhibited he of

1426
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:16,869
course you see that's also the entire

1427
01:02:24,339 --> 01:02:20,650
the entire foundation of this case

1428
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:24,349
depends on Kenneth Arnold estimating the

1429
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:26,210
speed for what twelve to fifteen hundred

1430
01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:29,280
miles an hour this is 1947

1431
01:02:34,550 --> 01:02:32,910
if he overestimated maybe it was a

1432
01:02:36,890 --> 01:02:34,560
hundred miles an hour maybe was six

1433
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:36,900
whatever right he brings you closer to

1434
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:38,850
the possibility it was a secret aircraft

1435
01:02:45,140 --> 01:02:41,370
and that's what's so many of these

1436
01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:45,150
sightings the UFO sightings in the early

1437
01:02:51,530 --> 01:02:47,190
years the early years of the Flying

1438
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:51,540
Saucer mystery were probably mostly test

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01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:54,930
aircraft so when Jim Mosley half

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01:03:00,410 --> 01:02:56,850
seriously in those days with the

1441
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original Nexus and saucer News said they

1442
01:03:06,110 --> 01:03:03,390
were from earth secret weapons test

1443
01:03:09,830 --> 01:03:06,120
aircraft he called it the earth theory

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01:03:13,450 --> 01:03:09,840
very likely Jim was correct I mentioned

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this by the way Jim's birthday was

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August 4th you'll hear this on August

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absolutely actually sure the Arnold

1536
01:08:01,180 --> 01:07:59,060
sighting that that was a really good one

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01:08:05,020 --> 01:08:01,190
and you know it could they could have

1538
01:08:07,830 --> 01:08:05,030
been test aircraft strictly speaking the

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the definition of a UFO excludes

1540
01:08:12,580 --> 01:08:10,100
unidentified aircraft from the

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01:08:16,210 --> 01:08:12,590
definition so they really shouldn't have

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01:08:18,460 --> 01:08:16,220
been classified as UFOs in the first

1543
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:18,470
place or we wouldn't have classified

1544
01:08:25,780 --> 01:08:21,920
them as UFOs later so you know they were

1545
01:08:27,130 --> 01:08:25,790
unusual they moved a lot like some sort

1546
01:08:28,780 --> 01:08:27,140
of an aircraft where they didn't

1547
01:08:31,300 --> 01:08:28,790
suddenly change direction and go the

1548
01:08:33,820 --> 01:08:31,310
opposite way for example yeah it's

1549
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:33,830
possible that what Arnold saw was just

1550
01:08:39,579 --> 01:08:35,839
some kind of aircraft and the pinpoint

1551
01:08:40,810 --> 01:08:39,589
turns could have been exaggerated you

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01:08:43,150 --> 01:08:40,820
know we're talking about human

1553
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:43,160
perception we're talking with the fact

1554
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:46,400
that flying saucers very quickly became

1555
01:08:53,020 --> 01:08:49,730
cultural icons so the characteristics

1556
01:08:56,740 --> 01:08:53,030
may be repeated in other aircraft to a

1557
01:08:59,440 --> 01:08:56,750
more normal mundane degree but so fairly

1558
01:09:02,410 --> 01:08:59,450
quickly and people say pinpoint turns

1559
01:09:05,740 --> 01:09:02,420
yes of course we saw one of them you

1560
01:09:08,410 --> 01:09:05,750
know in my which I've recently admitted

1561
01:09:09,730 --> 01:09:08,420
to this I guess you'd say it or talk

1562
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:09,740
about it a little bit I don't go into

1563
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:12,080
detail on it but my sighting I had in

1564
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:15,410
December of 2014 as far as my

1565
01:09:20,650 --> 01:09:17,839
description of it I acknowledge that

1566
01:09:25,150 --> 01:09:20,660
we're I'm pretty sure I have it wrong is

1567
01:09:29,050 --> 01:09:25,160
the trying to get the exact altitude it

1568
01:09:33,340 --> 01:09:29,060
was low you know we're talking 50 to 75

1569
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:33,350
feet above Brown was all but you know I

1570
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:35,839
could be off I it could have been a

1571
01:09:41,500 --> 01:09:38,930
hundred feet you know so when you think

1572
01:09:45,210 --> 01:09:41,510
of Kenneth Arnold's you know the the

1573
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:45,220
specifics yeah I totally see

1574
01:09:49,740 --> 01:09:47,010
where some of it he could have

1575
01:09:52,020 --> 01:09:49,750
exaggerated or been off with what he was

1576
01:09:55,140 --> 01:09:52,030
saying now the thing is Arnold was a

1577
01:09:57,450 --> 01:09:55,150
pilot I am NOT okay even though you know

1578
01:09:59,250 --> 01:09:57,460
I've been in a profession where you know

1579
01:10:01,740 --> 01:09:59,260
observation skills are very important

1580
01:10:03,210 --> 01:10:01,750
and and I have them and stuff but you're

1581
01:10:05,730 --> 01:10:03,220
talking about a flying object you know

1582
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:05,740
Kenneth Arnold was a pilot so I would

1583
01:10:14,490 --> 01:10:09,520
say that the actuality was somewhere

1584
01:10:16,980 --> 01:10:14,500
between what he was saying and maybe

1585
01:10:18,780 --> 01:10:16,990
just a little bit off because you know

1586
01:10:21,210 --> 01:10:18,790
it's not like he was a milk truck driver

1587
01:10:23,670 --> 01:10:21,220
okay or a postman

1588
01:10:26,940 --> 01:10:23,680
oh that's fair comment for sure yeah

1589
01:10:29,220 --> 01:10:26,950
actually Walter I'd love to hear you

1590
01:10:31,470 --> 01:10:29,230
tell us about your sighting because I

1591
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:31,480
don't actually recall ever you know

1592
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:36,490
about it yeah I've only it you know I'll

1593
01:10:41,070 --> 01:10:38,490
be honest with you I have a reluctance

1594
01:10:43,230 --> 01:10:41,080
because you know there's gonna be people

1595
01:10:45,140 --> 01:10:43,240
others say oh he's making it up you know

1596
01:10:48,660 --> 01:10:45,150
cuz he wants it but you know whatever

1597
01:10:50,660 --> 01:10:48,670
well I have video of it and I have

1598
01:10:52,830 --> 01:10:50,670
shared that video and the images with

1599
01:10:58,320 --> 01:10:52,840
individuals you know like right after it

1600
01:11:01,020 --> 01:10:58,330
happened so it it happened it can't be

1601
01:11:02,610 --> 01:11:01,030
any crazier than then the types of

1602
01:11:05,550 --> 01:11:02,620
experiences I've had or a number of

1603
01:11:08,010 --> 01:11:05,560
other people so and I freely admit to

1604
01:11:10,740 --> 01:11:08,020
having seen some pretty strange stuff if

1605
01:11:14,460 --> 01:11:10,750
it didn't it it didn't do any crazy

1606
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:14,470
maneuvers in fact it was very what's the

1607
01:11:23,310 --> 01:11:17,170
word very very tame it it was moving

1608
01:11:28,740 --> 01:11:23,320
along you know not fast it maintained

1609
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:28,750
its attitude and its altitude and you

1610
01:11:36,330 --> 01:11:33,210
know it paused or a few moments and then

1611
01:11:38,490 --> 01:11:36,340
continued on under the same definitely

1612
01:11:40,410 --> 01:11:38,500
under some type of control like you know

1613
01:11:42,660 --> 01:11:40,420
could have been a some type of drone

1614
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:42,670
technology or something I don't know but

1615
01:11:53,250 --> 01:11:50,530
at one point it was dumping material you

1616
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:53,260
know a molten type of material of the

1617
01:11:57,180 --> 01:11:55,120
side I contacted Jacques ballet in

1618
01:11:58,080 --> 01:11:57,190
December and I have the email he

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01:12:02,090 --> 01:11:58,090
expressed

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01:12:04,730 --> 01:12:02,100
you know some serious interest in it and

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01:12:09,540 --> 01:12:04,740
haven't had the opportunity yet to

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01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:09,550
discuss it further with him but with

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01:12:13,380 --> 01:12:12,010
this at night or like oh yeah yeah also

1624
01:12:16,110 --> 01:12:13,390
there's a light of some kind

1625
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:16,120
it was around between 11:30 and midnight

1626
01:12:22,410 --> 01:12:20,530
I think you know I can imagine the

1627
01:12:24,420 --> 01:12:22,420
skeptics like I'm not saying I didn't

1628
01:12:26,010 --> 01:12:24,430
see something unusual but you know what

1629
01:12:27,810 --> 01:12:26,020
would you say to someone who said well

1630
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:27,820
you sure couldn't have been like some

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01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:30,930
kind of a flare on a balloon that was

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01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:34,570
you know dripping hot hot you know yeah

1633
01:12:40,860 --> 01:12:38,050
I I thought of that I considered that I

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01:12:42,530 --> 01:12:40,870
told myself okay because I had someone

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01:12:45,090 --> 01:12:42,540
with me the person lives at the house

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01:12:46,530 --> 01:12:45,100
was coming in from work and came in and

1637
01:12:49,980 --> 01:12:46,540
said you got oh my gosh come on her and

1638
01:12:54,330 --> 01:12:49,990
look at this and you know I went out

1639
01:12:57,060 --> 01:12:54,340
there and holy smokes and then it you

1640
01:12:58,530 --> 01:12:57,070
know it continued you know moving after

1641
01:13:01,020 --> 01:12:58,540
a few minutes I had time to run in and

1642
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:01,030
get the camera and it was he was just

1643
01:13:07,410 --> 01:13:04,930
staying in in one spot and I went in got

1644
01:13:10,620 --> 01:13:07,420
the camera I started you know rolling

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01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:10,630
video and then it continued moving on

1646
01:13:16,650 --> 01:13:12,850
probably within about 30 seconds of me

1647
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:16,660
rolling the video and you know yeah

1648
01:13:21,870 --> 01:13:18,730
there was kind of some low overcast well

1649
01:13:23,970 --> 01:13:21,880
there was low overcast and it went in

1650
01:13:25,860 --> 01:13:23,980
the direction it was going it eventually

1651
01:13:28,230 --> 01:13:25,870
disappeared into the that overcast the

1652
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:28,240
clouds I hit the screen I'm still with

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01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:31,930
you guys right oh yeah okay I hit the

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01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:35,530
screen on my thing here and okay ah is

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01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:36,970
it again gotta keep my hands away from

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01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:37,360
that

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01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:42,310
know I'm gonna catch all sorts of crap

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01:13:49,020 --> 01:13:45,040
and health some people but you know what

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01:13:50,580 --> 01:13:49,030
from it happened and you had some sort

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01:13:54,540 --> 01:13:50,590
of an impression then that this wasn't

1661
01:13:55,860 --> 01:13:54,550
just something mundane right it well the

1662
01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:55,870
first thing I thought was Chinese

1663
01:14:01,770 --> 01:13:58,090
lantern right right I thought okay okay

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01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:01,780
and so I immediately reviewed what you

1665
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:03,310
know Chinese lantern characteristics how

1666
01:14:08,730 --> 01:14:05,920
they move this was not moving at all

1667
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:08,740
like a Chinese lantern okay this was

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01:14:14,580 --> 01:14:12,010
something that was not not that I even

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01:14:16,109 --> 01:14:14,590
- you know the first person I can fight

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01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:16,119
it in with this and something I said I

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01:14:22,049 --> 01:14:19,360
said okay am i seeing some type of fancy

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01:14:23,399 --> 01:14:22,059
Chinese lantern here and I'm mistaking

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01:14:25,649 --> 01:14:23,409
it for something else and the person

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01:14:28,620 --> 01:14:25,659
looked at at those they said no I do not

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01:14:32,279 --> 01:14:28,630
think at all that you know Chinese

1676
01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:32,289
lantern so you know I cuz my first

1677
01:14:36,450 --> 01:14:34,510
thought is okay Walter you know don't

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01:14:37,410 --> 01:14:36,460
get excited don't turn this into

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01:14:39,450 --> 01:14:37,420
something that it's not

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01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:39,460
and well you know you see it's almost

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01:14:44,939 --> 01:14:42,489
four years ago that it happened and I'm

1682
01:14:47,790 --> 01:14:44,949
just now this year you know talking

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01:14:50,910 --> 01:14:47,800
about it publicly because I didn't know

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01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:50,920
what to think I was indeed figured you

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01:14:55,020 --> 01:14:52,719
know was it too far or in a in a

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01:14:56,580 --> 01:14:55,030
situation and you couldn't wait out and

1687
01:15:00,359 --> 01:14:56,590
follow it or something like you know

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01:15:03,450 --> 01:15:00,369
when I when I came out of the house it

1689
01:15:05,189 --> 01:15:03,460
was like right above the fence line

1690
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:05,199
between my house and my neighbor's house

1691
01:15:13,740 --> 01:15:08,880
and it was probably I'm gonna guess

1692
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:13,750
somewhere between 50 to 75 feet in the

1693
01:15:18,419 --> 01:15:15,730
air no more than it must have been a

1694
01:15:21,299 --> 01:15:18,429
small object thing well no you got a

1695
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:21,309
figure at 50 to 75 feet above but the

1696
01:15:26,700 --> 01:15:24,130
the size that my our eyes were seeing

1697
01:15:28,109 --> 01:15:26,710
you know it could have been yeah not

1698
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:28,119
large yeah I would agree with you not

1699
01:15:35,970 --> 01:15:30,159
large but it could have been I've

1700
01:15:39,450 --> 01:15:35,980
estimated like maybe 15 feet in across

1701
01:15:41,819 --> 01:15:39,460
what's that diameter yeah and you know

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01:15:43,529 --> 01:15:41,829
oh that would still be would mean your

1703
01:15:46,589 --> 01:15:43,539
fence would have to be fairly far away

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01:15:48,509 --> 01:15:46,599
then uh that that's just a nest right

1705
01:15:50,850 --> 01:15:48,519
I'm more confident with the altitude

1706
01:15:52,799 --> 01:15:50,860
than I am the size of the object you

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01:15:54,089 --> 01:15:52,809
know okay we're gonna split for a few

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01:15:57,330 --> 01:15:54,099
seconds and continue with this

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discussion Randall as many thousands and

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millions of questions to ask you and

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I've judge this will be an active

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discussion in the forums in any case so

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god yeah oh yeah Walter Bosley with us

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well actually I'm really grateful that

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you decided to share that with with us

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Walter because yeah I didn't plan on

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doing that I always find it interesting

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to hear people's stories it's just they

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never cease to fascinate me regardless

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of what they were especially when

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someone like yourself who know who's

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about all the things that they could be

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01:21:28,330 --> 01:21:25,789
besides something alien and doesn't jump

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01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:28,340
- oh my god flying saucer and thinks

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01:21:31,989 --> 01:21:30,320
first well what else could it be

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01:21:34,389 --> 01:21:31,999
and that has still left with an

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01:21:37,779 --> 01:21:34,399
impression that it's something rather

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unusual again I go back to you could ask

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01:21:42,129 --> 01:21:39,979
the question was it a Chinese lantern or

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some type of thing if it was some type

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01:21:46,029 --> 01:21:43,969
of Chinese lantern thing it was

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01:21:48,129 --> 01:21:46,039
connected possibly to a drone because

1842
01:21:49,870 --> 01:21:48,139
the way it moved Chinese lanterns do

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that once you let them go they kind of

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01:21:54,219 --> 01:21:51,349
do their own thing depending upon the

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wind right and generally generally they

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01:21:57,939 --> 01:21:56,510
go kind of in a straight up or like a

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01:22:00,250 --> 01:21:57,949
balloon you know when a kid's balloon

1848
01:22:02,379 --> 01:22:00,260
you let go of it it kind of does that

1849
01:22:04,839 --> 01:22:02,389
thing where it's going out but it's

1850
01:22:07,029 --> 01:22:04,849
moving and it's kind of perky jerky and

1851
01:22:09,609 --> 01:22:07,039
not smooth this was definitely not doing

1852
01:22:11,919 --> 01:22:09,619
that so the most rational explanation

1853
01:22:14,139 --> 01:22:11,929
would be if it's a Chinese lantern it

1854
01:22:17,469 --> 01:22:14,149
was somebody rigged it up to some type

1855
01:22:19,179 --> 01:22:17,479
of possibly some drone thing and if

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01:22:24,939 --> 01:22:19,189
that's the case that was pretty cool it

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01:22:28,089 --> 01:22:24,949
made a great UFO or if you know was it

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01:22:31,810 --> 01:22:28,099
some other type of thing that you know

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01:22:33,699 --> 01:22:31,820
somebody constructed and I and the

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person who sought with me my adopted

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01:22:39,699 --> 01:22:36,769
kids boyfriend where we just kind of in

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01:22:42,179 --> 01:22:39,709
awe like ooh because it was you know

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01:22:43,989 --> 01:22:42,189
kind of weird and cool at the same time

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01:22:46,569 --> 01:22:43,999
but it had a very down-to-earth

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01:22:48,939 --> 01:22:46,579
explanation I don't know you know you

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01:22:52,690 --> 01:22:48,949
have to look at all the factors involved

1867
01:22:55,450 --> 01:22:52,700
and for me all the factors involved

1868
01:23:00,280 --> 01:22:55,460
I still come away thinking okay this was

1869
01:23:02,290 --> 01:23:00,290
something very possibly in the weird or

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01:23:03,490 --> 01:23:02,300
extraordinary so to speak they're out of

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01:23:04,230 --> 01:23:03,500
the ordinary let's say out of the

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01:23:08,110 --> 01:23:04,240
ordinary

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01:23:09,700 --> 01:23:08,120
category yeah I'm sure you know yeah and

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01:23:11,020 --> 01:23:09,710
I'm glad that I got video of it now

1875
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:11,030
here's the thing though

1876
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:12,890
Greg Bishop and I have talked about this

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01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:15,410
at times and he's talked about with

1878
01:23:21,790 --> 01:23:19,370
others the thing on the video what sucks

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01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:21,800
about the video is it looks farther away

1880
01:23:26,260 --> 01:23:24,170
and it's not as clear as what our eyes

1881
01:23:28,330 --> 01:23:26,270
were seeing and you know Greg Bishop and

1882
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I have talked about how you know these

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things that happens to a lot of people

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they when they do have their cameras

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they try to get imagery and then when

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they look at what they got like what the

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01:23:40,090 --> 01:23:38,930
heck this thing was closer and what we

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01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:40,100
were so we were seeing this a lot

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01:23:45,850 --> 01:23:41,920
clearer than the cameras picking up and

1890
01:23:48,070 --> 01:23:45,860
so you can't go to the video and say

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01:23:51,430 --> 01:23:48,080
there it is the definitive in clear

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01:23:52,810 --> 01:23:51,440
focus exactly what we saw so you got to

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01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:52,820
ask yourself okay

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01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:54,800
other than the well no it could be the

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01:23:59,890 --> 01:23:56,690
advanced technology could have some type

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of jammer so to speak just for lack of a

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01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:01,850
better term some type of thing that

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messes with electronic recording devices

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01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:06,680
is my point is what Greg and I and

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01:24:12,010 --> 01:24:08,690
others have talked about what did this

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01:24:14,650 --> 01:24:12,020
have that possibly I don't know all I

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01:24:17,050 --> 01:24:14,660
know for a fact is is that I and the

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01:24:19,450 --> 01:24:17,060
kids boyfriend stood out there in the

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01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:19,460
driveway at that time on that date and

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01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:22,400
we saw this thing in the sky and I got

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01:24:27,730 --> 01:24:25,280
some photo and video of it and the

1907
01:24:30,940 --> 01:24:27,740
experience and the video was sufficient

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01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:30,950
enough that jacques valet said wow this

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01:24:35,590 --> 01:24:32,960
is really interesting I'm interested in

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01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:35,600
this is there anything there you care to

1911
01:24:42,910 --> 01:24:39,890
show us in the photos and video I can I

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01:24:43,810 --> 01:24:42,920
can send you yeah oh yeah I can send it

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01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:43,820
to you I don't care

1914
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:47,330
can we post it in the for cool I'm

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01:24:56,980 --> 01:24:55,610
asking for a lot of crap yeah yeah I'll

1916
01:24:58,990 --> 01:24:56,990
send you one of the stills but you know

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01:25:02,620 --> 01:24:59,000
all you're gonna see is a spot of light

1918
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:02,630
I really I really to me the value of the

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01:25:08,350 --> 01:25:06,320
imagery is that by gosh

1920
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don't call me a liar that I didn't see

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01:25:13,810 --> 01:25:11,690
this thing cuz you know here it is okay

1922
01:25:16,810 --> 01:25:13,820
the point being here that if we put if

1923
01:25:19,319 --> 01:25:16,820
we put that in the power cast forms it's

1924
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:19,329
just a light so it is no sense yeah

1925
01:25:23,919 --> 01:25:22,130
that's right and the video is the same

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01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:23,929
thing just a light in the sky videos

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01:25:29,379 --> 01:25:26,810
pretty much I mean I don't my show it to

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01:25:30,700 --> 01:25:29,389
you you know it privately you know so

1929
01:25:34,899 --> 01:25:30,710
you can see I don't want to do a race

1930
01:25:36,729 --> 01:25:34,909
Stanford so I'm not about being a race

1931
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:36,739
an FIR time talking about the sighting I

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01:25:40,899 --> 01:25:38,960
told you got imagery I'll let you see

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01:25:42,609 --> 01:25:40,909
the imagery and if you decide you don't

1934
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:42,619
want to put it in the form because it's

1935
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:44,449
not definitive that's your choice but

1936
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:47,090
I'm not about to when I have something

1937
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:48,560
like that because it's not definitive

1938
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:51,440
you know and and knowing that is fine

1939
01:25:56,169 --> 01:25:54,050
you see my view is that okay well we've

1940
01:25:58,810 --> 01:25:56,179
heard your story about what you saw now

1941
01:26:00,339 --> 01:25:58,820
if we concede the video we can say well

1942
01:26:02,140 --> 01:26:00,349
yeah that's absolutely right you know

1943
01:26:03,970 --> 01:26:02,150
what we've got is a situation where

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01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:03,980
you're looking at one thing and getting

1945
01:26:08,020 --> 01:26:06,320
an impression that is entirely different

1946
01:26:09,970 --> 01:26:08,030
than what's coming out on film

1947
01:26:12,700 --> 01:26:09,980
yeah and that alone is actually really

1948
01:26:16,689 --> 01:26:12,710
interesting to a researcher who can be

1949
01:26:19,390 --> 01:26:16,699
objective about it fascinating when you

1950
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:19,400
get into the the really let's go out

1951
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:22,130
into purple land here with what UFOs

1952
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:23,810
might really be about and it's the

1953
01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:26,449
reason why I'm not so turned on by the

1954
01:26:29,919 --> 01:26:27,679
et thing anymore

1955
01:26:31,930 --> 01:26:29,929
big that I do think there are

1956
01:26:33,490 --> 01:26:31,940
extraterrestrials yes I do think they

1957
01:26:35,169 --> 01:26:33,500
have and they continue to come here I

1958
01:26:37,540 --> 01:26:35,179
have no problem with that I think they

1959
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:37,550
do anybody who says now no no it's like

1960
01:26:42,609 --> 01:26:39,530
okay you're a stick in the mud it lost

1961
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:42,619
but so I'm with the et people in the

1962
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:44,570
basic idea that of course they exist yes

1963
01:26:48,930 --> 01:26:45,650
they've come here yes they're still

1964
01:26:51,879 --> 01:26:48,940
coming here but there are aspects of the

1965
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:51,889
UFO phenomenon on the whole the greater

1966
01:26:57,550 --> 01:26:54,800
that you know technology explains a lot

1967
01:26:59,770 --> 01:26:57,560
of it ET explains some of it but there's

1968
01:27:01,899 --> 01:26:59,780
that other zone where there's some wild

1969
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:01,909
stuff going on and what you said like

1970
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:04,010
you know we're standing there when I

1971
01:27:08,620 --> 01:27:06,170
first saw this thing because again I go

1972
01:27:10,660 --> 01:27:08,630
back to my professional roots and and as

1973
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:10,670
an observer I before I said anything

1974
01:27:15,100 --> 01:27:11,810
about what I was seeing

1975
01:27:17,140 --> 01:27:15,110
I asked Ken I said describe to me what

1976
01:27:18,549 --> 01:27:17,150
you are looking at right now and he

1977
01:27:20,050 --> 01:27:18,559
described it physically and it was

1978
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:20,060
exactly what I was seeing too

1979
01:27:25,210 --> 01:27:23,690
okay Kristen yeah and so I I knew okay

1980
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:25,220
we got to do that we got to get that

1981
01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:27,530
established but you're right here's this

1982
01:27:32,350 --> 01:27:29,600
thing that on video it just looks like a

1983
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:32,360
blurb of light okay dropping another

1984
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:35,330
blurb of light okay but what our eyes

1985
01:27:40,930 --> 01:27:38,090
were seeing with much more in focus and

1986
01:27:42,850 --> 01:27:40,940
closer and you don't thinking wow okay

1987
01:27:44,770 --> 01:27:42,860
is this one of those things where

1988
01:27:47,380 --> 01:27:44,780
they're they're they mess with your

1989
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:47,390
perceptions you know the other thing

1990
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:50,810
here is this has been true with UFO

1991
01:27:56,950 --> 01:27:53,690
sightings from day one most of the

1992
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:56,960
photos out there are just blurry just

1993
01:28:03,070 --> 01:27:59,120
large in the sky they are totally

1994
01:28:06,190 --> 01:28:03,080
useless and then you get in a couple of

1995
01:28:12,220 --> 01:28:06,200
handful how many really good UFO photos

1996
01:28:15,010 --> 01:28:12,230
out there are so so clear and distinct

1997
01:28:18,250 --> 01:28:15,020
that they show something the problem if

1998
01:28:21,130 --> 01:28:18,260
that is okay maybe they were faked

1999
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:21,140
because that's what you get something

2000
01:28:26,410 --> 01:28:23,120
very clear and even if they weren't

2001
01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:26,420
faked how do you know that someone

2002
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:29,600
wasn't messing with you right yeah

2003
01:28:32,470 --> 01:28:30,320
exactly

2004
01:28:36,100 --> 01:28:32,480
look here's the thing I'm gonna say this

2005
01:28:38,190 --> 01:28:36,110
if someone in my neighborhood came to me

2006
01:28:40,990 --> 01:28:38,200
you know said hey man I gotta confess

2007
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:41,000
here's what you saw I put this and they

2008
01:28:46,330 --> 01:28:43,130
demonstrate it for me I'd be laughing my

2009
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:46,340
ass off I'd be saying oh man you had we

2010
01:28:49,780 --> 01:28:48,560
were we were totally blown away we

2011
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:49,790
didn't know what the heck we were

2012
01:28:53,530 --> 01:28:51,770
looking at that's cool would never be

2013
01:28:55,540 --> 01:28:53,540
worth his show that'd be worth the show

2014
01:28:58,300 --> 01:28:55,550
let's bring on somebody who actually

2015
01:29:00,760 --> 01:28:58,310
hopes to you know it wouldn't piss me

2016
01:29:03,340 --> 01:29:00,770
off I wouldn't you know try to hide that

2017
01:29:04,780 --> 01:29:03,350
I you know I'm not saying I saw

2018
01:29:07,930 --> 01:29:04,790
something from another world

2019
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:07,940
I saw literally an unidentified flying

2020
01:29:15,220 --> 01:29:11,330
object and it was kind of cool how it

2021
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:15,230
all worked out frustrating too because

2022
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:16,730
but here's the thing I come away with

2023
01:29:22,210 --> 01:29:19,970
and I never mocked people who claim to

2024
01:29:26,410 --> 01:29:22,220
have seen UFOs I've never done that okay

2025
01:29:29,350 --> 01:29:26,420
um you know but I can understand even

2026
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:29,360
better now how frustrated they are when

2027
01:29:33,850 --> 01:29:30,800
people a call them Liars

2028
01:29:39,220 --> 01:29:33,860
be say that they were you know faking

2029
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:39,230
they got on film you know because it's

2030
01:29:45,220 --> 01:29:41,570
frustrating the thing you get is not

2031
01:29:46,450 --> 01:29:45,230
clear you know the you get people that

2032
01:29:48,399 --> 01:29:46,460
just because they don't like you

2033
01:29:50,020 --> 01:29:48,409
personally let's face it that's what we

2034
01:29:52,060 --> 01:29:50,030
got me in any community when you're

2035
01:29:54,939 --> 01:29:52,070
dealing with people you know and we have

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01:29:58,149 --> 01:29:54,949
it in the UFO paranormal community a lot

2037
01:29:59,919 --> 01:29:58,159
of stuff that goes on with questioning

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01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:59,929
people stuff is because somebody doesn't

2039
01:30:03,370 --> 01:30:02,000
like another guy personally I want to

2040
01:30:06,310 --> 01:30:03,380
bring up something about that

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in our next segment with Walter Bosley J

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Randall Murphy our weekly co-host some

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thank you for listening to GCN

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from real customers all for free go to

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Angie's List calm today

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01:34:41,430 --> 01:34:38,550
hi it's Greg Cameron from presidential

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01:34:44,340 --> 01:34:41,440
UFO calm you're listening to the para

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01:34:53,010 --> 01:34:44,350
cast the gold standard of paranormal

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01:34:55,170 --> 01:34:53,020
radio now briefly here or though it can

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01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:55,180
be less brief but let's get into it

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01:34:59,880 --> 01:34:57,370
because you mentioned it you jumped into

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01:35:02,310 --> 01:34:59,890
it and that was you mentioned the

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01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:02,320
concern here what if I put this in the

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01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:04,930
forum and that's gonna maybe open a can

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01:35:12,270 --> 01:35:08,770
of worms and you wonder here why this

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01:35:13,740 --> 01:35:12,280
nonsense happens in any forum because I

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01:35:15,270 --> 01:35:13,750
know that there are some other forms

2162
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:15,280
they've been trying to poach members

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01:35:20,130 --> 01:35:18,010
from are saying we are friendlier yeah

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01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:20,140
but when you get active and when you

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01:35:24,450 --> 01:35:22,090
have a lot of people with different

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01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:24,460
opinions very strong opinions the

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01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:27,520
problem with the online world is you can

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01:35:34,410 --> 01:35:31,810
hide behind your keyboard or your it's

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01:35:37,110 --> 01:35:34,420
so anonymous that the downside of human

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01:35:39,090 --> 01:35:37,120
nature is easy to express and you can

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01:35:42,870 --> 01:35:39,100
become something other than what you are

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01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:42,880
now Randall came to our form as ufology

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01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:46,210
originally right right right now the

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01:35:50,190 --> 01:35:48,370
doors didn't hide my identity now I have

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01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:50,200
my website on there and I've got my own

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01:35:54,210 --> 01:35:51,850
bio on there and just like you know

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01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:54,220
Walter none of us in this conversation

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01:36:00,750 --> 01:35:57,570
is hiding who we are and I for example

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01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:00,760
always came on as gene Steinberg I said

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01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:03,610
why do I need some dumb name this is who

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01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:06,070
I am for better or worse I am a member

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01:36:11,550 --> 01:36:08,320
of one forum though that caters to

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01:36:14,550 --> 01:36:11,560
people interested in web hosting and web

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01:36:17,190 --> 01:36:14,560
technologies as Captain Marvel and

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01:36:19,650 --> 01:36:17,200
that's even more confusing because there

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01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:19,660
are two captain Marvel's there is the

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01:36:24,780 --> 01:36:21,610
Marvel Comics version who was a woman

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01:36:28,290 --> 01:36:24,790
and the original Shazam version going

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01:36:30,450 --> 01:36:28,300
back to 1939 that competed with Superman

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01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:30,460
and I mentioned that when I picked it

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01:36:36,330 --> 01:36:32,770
because I kind of think that the first

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Captain Marvel movie in 1941 had some of

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01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:38,480
the best flying scenes

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01:36:45,970 --> 01:36:43,130
until say 70 to 78 Superman even then I

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01:36:48,510 --> 01:36:45,980
didn't I could see through them really

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01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:48,520
this one featured Tom Tyler of the

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01:36:54,610 --> 01:36:51,050
Western Star who also played The Mummy

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01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:54,620
you know chorus The Mummy and he looked

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01:37:00,370 --> 01:36:56,810
like Captain Marvel just like Zachary

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01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:00,380
Levi is now playing Shazam and he both

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01:37:03,850 --> 01:37:02,210
himself up with muscles and somebody's

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01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:03,860
got real muscles most that's what you

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01:37:09,100 --> 01:37:05,810
see in the costume is real muscles any

2204
01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:09,110
looks like the classic Shazam character

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01:37:15,220 --> 01:37:12,800
you were saying yeah that's cool oh but

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01:37:17,770 --> 01:37:15,230
there are guys in the forum who you know

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01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:17,780
and I got a lot more respect for you

2208
01:37:23,860 --> 01:37:21,170
know like Thomas Morrison okay you know

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01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:23,870
who he is his name is there you can go

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01:37:29,380 --> 01:37:25,850
look up his stuff as an artist you can

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01:37:32,830 --> 01:37:29,390
see his face you know he he and I have

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01:37:35,410 --> 01:37:32,840
disagreed on stuff and exchanged barbs

2213
01:37:38,290 --> 01:37:35,420
and stuff at least I know the guys name

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01:37:41,530 --> 01:37:38,300
I know who he is and it's really the

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01:37:43,690 --> 01:37:41,540
ones who you know have these it's just a

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01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:43,700
first name moniker and you never see

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01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:47,090
their face they never it's it's easy for

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01:37:52,540 --> 01:37:50,239
people to take the cheap shots when

2219
01:37:55,270 --> 01:37:52,550
they're being anonymous and you know you

2220
01:37:57,850 --> 01:37:55,280
have to at some point adopt a sense of

2221
01:37:59,830 --> 01:37:57,860
humor and ignore most of that you

2222
01:38:02,350 --> 01:37:59,840
probably know the person I'm talking

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01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:02,360
about he's no longer in the forms for a

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01:38:04,690 --> 01:38:04,130
thousand reasons I don't want to get

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01:38:08,170 --> 01:38:04,700
into here

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01:38:11,740 --> 01:38:08,180
and he wants to look and try to prove

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01:38:15,670 --> 01:38:11,750
that the credentials you present that

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01:38:20,110 --> 01:38:15,680
show who you are are faked that looks to

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01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:20,120
be his life's mission wait still yes he

2230
01:38:24,100 --> 01:38:21,770
was hitting me with this a few months

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01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:24,110
ago and then what he said is I should

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01:38:28,650 --> 01:38:25,850
give up everything because I got all

2233
01:38:33,220 --> 01:38:28,660
these I've got a handful of what we call

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01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:33,230
stalkers after me and they've been using

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01:38:39,910 --> 01:38:38,000
my reverses my life's reverses as

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01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:39,920
ammunition to attack you know this is

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01:38:44,979 --> 01:38:42,410
and you kick somebody yeah yeah people

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01:38:47,260 --> 01:38:44,989
get into you know remember that's why

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01:38:49,990 --> 01:38:47,270
you got to be careful making that stuff

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01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:50,000
public is because she kind of you know

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01:38:52,390 --> 01:38:52,010
wouldn't you got to be careful in

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01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:52,400
general

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01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:54,290
speaking people got to be careful what

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01:38:58,600 --> 01:38:56,570
they make public because then people are

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01:39:01,840 --> 01:38:58,610
gonna use it whether it's it sort of

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01:39:04,540 --> 01:39:01,850
speaks fair or not I understand that in

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01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:04,550
my situation but what they do is they

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01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:07,130
they go ahead and say let's look at all

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01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:09,679
the court records maybe he was evicted

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01:39:13,959 --> 01:39:12,170
from his apartment five years ago that's

2251
01:39:17,229 --> 01:39:13,969
great a conspiracy about that

2252
01:39:19,959 --> 01:39:17,239
maybe maybe somebody tried to collect a

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01:39:22,060 --> 01:39:19,969
debt from him 20 years ago which happens

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01:39:23,919 --> 01:39:22,070
to a lot of people and oh we're gonna

2255
01:39:29,229 --> 01:39:23,929
make a big issue of that yeah but what

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01:39:31,959 --> 01:39:29,239
about the other 14 million people big

2257
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:31,969
nasty monster some people again if

2258
01:39:36,790 --> 01:39:33,650
somebody doesn't like you particularly

2259
01:39:38,229 --> 01:39:36,800
or me or whoever J Randall or reason

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01:39:40,300 --> 01:39:38,239
they're going to give them the

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01:39:42,070 --> 01:39:40,310
opportunity and they're gonna you know

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01:39:44,140 --> 01:39:42,080
do if they can like somebody trying to

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01:39:48,100 --> 01:39:44,150
say that my credentials are fake good

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01:39:49,660 --> 01:39:48,110
luck you know it makes you such an

2265
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:49,670
interesting guest actually is because

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01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:51,650
your credentials aren't fake you can

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01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:53,690
tell us about lots of stuff and there's

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01:39:57,490 --> 01:39:55,280
nothing wrong with trying to verify

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01:39:59,500 --> 01:39:57,500
people's credentials you know we've got

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01:40:01,419 --> 01:39:59,510
when you have a guy like me tell a host

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01:40:03,250 --> 01:40:01,429
he's gonna go on a show and he tells a

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01:40:04,810 --> 01:40:03,260
ho so I'm this side the other the host

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01:40:08,740 --> 01:40:04,820
I've said this the host needs to be

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01:40:10,689 --> 01:40:08,750
asking for the dd-214 I gladly you know

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01:40:13,419 --> 01:40:10,699
show mine to whoever needs to see it and

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01:40:16,030 --> 01:40:13,429
you know I the guys who say my

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01:40:19,060 --> 01:40:16,040
credentials are fake you know tell them

2278
01:40:22,149 --> 01:40:19,070
to ask an actor Greg Bishop Kevin Smith

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01:40:24,220 --> 01:40:22,159
is no longer with us but you know and

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01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:24,230
and they can do way if they're a US

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01:40:29,709 --> 01:40:27,170
citizen they can do a foi a search if

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01:40:32,020 --> 01:40:29,719
they want you know you can actually look

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01:40:34,990 --> 01:40:32,030
up that on the internet now I did not

2284
01:40:37,260 --> 01:40:35,000
too long ago and was able to bring up

2285
01:40:41,110 --> 01:40:37,270
records for I'm pretty sure it was Dodie

2286
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:41,120
just straight up down I like to joke I

2287
01:40:44,410 --> 01:40:42,170
like to stay yeah

2288
01:40:46,390 --> 01:40:44,420
OS I might not be happy about oh yeah

2289
01:40:48,970 --> 01:40:46,400
that damn Bosley yeah he was one of us

2290
01:40:50,740 --> 01:40:48,980
that that guy you know are the FBI oh

2291
01:40:52,810 --> 01:40:50,750
they might roll their eyes and say oh

2292
01:40:54,820 --> 01:40:52,820
that Walter but were you know retired

2293
01:40:57,790 --> 01:40:54,830
now from there that are I'm not

2294
01:41:00,180 --> 01:40:57,800
officially retired from any because I

2295
01:41:04,300 --> 01:41:00,190
worked for three different organizations

2296
01:41:06,300 --> 01:41:04,310
over the course of 18 years and so I was

2297
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:06,310
never with anyone I don't get a pen

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01:41:10,620 --> 01:41:08,320
I don't have a retirement pension from

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01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:10,630
Air Force FBI or anyone else

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01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:13,690
I'm out here like all you other guys and

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01:41:18,620 --> 01:41:15,970
a hanging in the wind not you a salaried

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01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:18,630
employee or an independent contractor I

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01:41:25,230 --> 01:41:22,570
was a salary to me I Sal arried employee

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01:41:28,890 --> 01:41:25,240
in fact I've shown I have one of my pay

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01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:28,900
stubs FBI pay stubs I was a GS salaried

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01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:30,610
employee of the FBI it's carried a

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01:41:34,470 --> 01:41:32,530
credential like agents do but without

2308
01:41:36,540 --> 01:41:34,480
the badge yes but the question being

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01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:36,550
here is you would not qualify for a

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01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:39,360
pension under civil service because

2311
01:41:42,750 --> 01:41:42,370
because I didn't work for them for 20

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01:41:45,480 --> 01:41:42,760
years

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01:41:48,780 --> 01:41:45,490
I left them and went into the Air Force

2314
01:41:51,210 --> 01:41:48,790
see honestly I think there's about like

2315
01:41:53,820 --> 01:41:51,220
a thousand bucks or something that

2316
01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:53,830
accrued for my retirement pay so to

2317
01:41:58,440 --> 01:41:56,770
speak that when I reach 65 or whatever

2318
01:42:01,980 --> 01:41:58,450
they'll probably cut me a check and

2319
01:42:04,260 --> 01:42:01,990
that's it you know if that much of the

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01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:04,270
Air Force I was only with them for you

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01:42:08,970 --> 01:42:06,730
know the six years and yeah of course I

2322
01:42:12,540 --> 01:42:08,980
was a my badge number was nineteen

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01:42:14,670 --> 01:42:12,550
eleven one nine one one eleven good year

2324
01:42:16,710 --> 01:42:14,680
that was the year my mother was born so

2325
01:42:19,860 --> 01:42:16,720
I like that yeah but but the question

2326
01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:19,870
would be here you work for the United

2327
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:21,760
States of America with different

2328
01:42:26,970 --> 01:42:24,130
agencies wouldn't it be nice of course

2329
01:42:29,820 --> 01:42:26,980
is something for the politicians to say

2330
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:29,830
hey this guy gave all these years for

2331
01:42:35,220 --> 01:42:31,690
God and kind of us but he worked for

2332
01:42:38,070 --> 01:42:35,230
different agencies why can't he have one

2333
01:42:40,050 --> 01:42:38,080
pension for his total service you know

2334
01:42:42,770 --> 01:42:40,060
it's like we're a division of a company

2335
01:42:45,540 --> 01:42:42,780
if I work for Apple and I'm developing

2336
01:42:49,050 --> 01:42:45,550
the next operating system then I move on

2337
01:42:51,510 --> 01:42:49,060
to build iPhones I'm designing iPhones

2338
01:42:53,460 --> 01:42:51,520
and the next one maybe I'm a head of

2339
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:53,470
customer support but I worked for Apple

2340
01:42:57,810 --> 01:42:55,600
for 20 years whatever their pension is

2341
01:43:00,300 --> 01:42:57,820
and Apple of course could you know by 2

2342
01:43:03,270 --> 01:43:00,310
or 3 countries with the money they have

2343
01:43:05,100 --> 01:43:03,280
now you would think you would think that

2344
01:43:07,110 --> 01:43:05,110
the spook world the intelligence

2345
01:43:08,850 --> 01:43:07,120
community would have something like that

2346
01:43:11,250 --> 01:43:08,860
because there's a lot of guys like me

2347
01:43:14,550 --> 01:43:11,260
who went from this organization to that

2348
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:14,560
and yet they did their 18 20 30 you know

2349
01:43:18,660 --> 01:43:16,480
40 years you would think that they would

2350
01:43:19,729 --> 01:43:18,670
have something like that in the world I

2351
01:43:22,549 --> 01:43:19,739
worked in

2352
01:43:25,089 --> 01:43:22,559
or that reason because you do you know

2353
01:43:29,089 --> 01:43:25,099
move from one organization to another

2354
01:43:31,970 --> 01:43:29,099
but they don't and I knew that you know

2355
01:43:35,989 --> 01:43:31,980
as I did it as I progressed in my career

2356
01:43:38,540 --> 01:43:35,999
and private investigating I'm a licensed

2357
01:43:39,859 --> 01:43:38,550
P I yes so that sounds like it could be

2358
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:39,869
pretty interesting or is it just look

2359
01:43:44,989 --> 01:43:42,960
not as glamorous is its it's not as

2360
01:43:50,629 --> 01:43:44,999
glamorous as you think it's I'm a

2361
01:43:55,850 --> 01:43:50,639
surveillance specialist and so I most

2362
01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:55,860
often provide surveillance services for

2363
01:43:59,660 --> 01:43:57,570
other PI's like if they're working on a

2364
01:44:02,180 --> 01:43:59,670
case they need a surveillance all either

2365
01:44:04,790 --> 01:44:02,190
you know kind of manage the surveillance

2366
01:44:07,310 --> 01:44:04,800
team or I'll just do it all myself for

2367
01:44:10,129 --> 01:44:07,320
them and so I'm kind of subcontracted to

2368
01:44:13,910 --> 01:44:10,139
another PI you have to have a 401k or

2369
01:44:16,759 --> 01:44:13,920
something I ever work okay fine I'll

2370
01:44:18,350 --> 01:44:16,769
take that away for you to they'll take

2371
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:18,360
that away from you too they're trying to

2372
01:44:24,709 --> 01:44:21,090
take away everything so that's let's go

2373
01:44:27,819 --> 01:44:24,719
that's gonna go hey listen let me just

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01:44:31,009 --> 01:44:27,829
mention this real quickly here we have

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the powertest plus a plus dr. power cast

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come where you go version of the show

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free of the network dad's free of the

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network dad so it satisfies the people

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01:44:41,509 --> 01:44:39,929
who complain on YouTube as people wanna

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01:44:43,970 --> 01:44:41,519
complain though is gonna find a way the

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01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:43,980
after the power cast podcast and more

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01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:46,050
stuffs being designed so we've got

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01:44:50,419 --> 01:44:48,570
Walter Bosley with a fascinating life

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01:44:53,270 --> 01:44:50,429
and this could be a lot fun in the

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01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:53,280
forums I'll tell you that okay Randall

2386
01:44:58,580 --> 01:44:55,920
Murphy Jean Steinberg or just got

2387
01:45:00,169 --> 01:44:58,590
dragged into it my friend but I like him

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01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:00,179
he's a nice guy that's why bring them on

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for women's stuff for men we have all

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sorts of sizes like small up to X large

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a lot of good stuff that's the swag from

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the power cast you go to store dot ^

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cast calm stop by and take a shopping

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[Applause]

2440
01:47:34,780 --> 01:47:30,440
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2441
01:47:43,550 --> 01:47:34,790
standard of paranormal radio and now

2442
01:47:45,710 --> 01:47:43,560
here's Jane Steinberg okay so I admitted

2443
01:47:48,140 --> 01:47:45,720
I'd like Randall I don't always agree

2444
01:47:51,290 --> 01:47:48,150
with Randall we've argued in the forms

2445
01:47:53,390 --> 01:47:51,300
and Walter he's a lot of fun so we're

2446
01:47:56,150 --> 01:47:53,400
happy to have him around but the thing

2447
01:47:58,970 --> 01:47:56,160
that we always bring here is let's

2448
01:48:01,670 --> 01:47:58,980
disagree and be friends it's like Barry

2449
01:48:04,580 --> 01:48:01,680
Goldwater and Walter Mondale the

2450
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:04,590
conservative the liberal going on TV

2451
01:48:09,950 --> 01:48:06,800
shows and the final years of their lives

2452
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:09,960
perfectly decent friends and they simply

2453
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:12,570
debate politics from different points of

2454
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:13,890
view why can't we have that anymore

2455
01:48:19,190 --> 01:48:16,050
that's what makes the forum's so good in

2456
01:48:21,590 --> 01:48:19,200
my opinion is that it is very free and

2457
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:21,600
open now you mentioned the forum that

2458
01:48:25,190 --> 01:48:23,970
was trying to poach our members so I

2459
01:48:27,050 --> 01:48:25,200
went over there to see what it was all

2460
01:48:28,970 --> 01:48:27,060
about and I lasted about two days before

2461
01:48:32,630 --> 01:48:28,980
they banned me for not agreeing with

2462
01:48:35,300 --> 01:48:32,640
their politics on things in the UFO

2463
01:48:38,660 --> 01:48:35,310
community yeah right now there's a

2464
01:48:40,700 --> 01:48:38,670
sickness going around out there and it's

2465
01:48:43,430 --> 01:48:40,710
bad because the people that are on the

2466
01:48:46,220 --> 01:48:43,440
two ends or lean you know or near the

2467
01:48:48,440 --> 01:48:46,230
two ends of the spectrum and everybody

2468
01:48:50,420 --> 01:48:48,450
that's in between whether they lean one

2469
01:48:52,070 --> 01:48:50,430
way or another the people that are kind

2470
01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:52,080
of in between that are trying to be sane

2471
01:48:58,010 --> 01:48:55,170
and and civil you know we're we get

2472
01:49:01,880 --> 01:48:58,020
caught up in it you know yeah it's kind

2473
01:49:04,060 --> 01:49:01,890
of old and stale it's it just I could go

2474
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:04,070
on with all sorts of derogatory yeah

2475
01:49:09,740 --> 01:49:06,480
let's not do that let's try something

2476
01:49:12,140 --> 01:49:09,750
different here we've got a question on

2477
01:49:16,940 --> 01:49:12,150
our forum for you oh this has to do with

2478
01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:16,950
this whole latitude 33 thing we want you

2479
01:49:23,420 --> 01:49:19,410
to talk a bit more about this is from

2480
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:23,430
Ken Ken Icarus is what goes by okay one

2481
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:26,090
of our paranormal adepts on the site and

2482
01:49:30,230 --> 01:49:28,080
asks I do you think that something

2483
01:49:31,550 --> 01:49:30,240
similar to the latitude 33 that you

2484
01:49:35,810 --> 01:49:31,560
talked about could be found in the

2485
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:35,820
Disney World or Euro Disney so how about

2486
01:49:38,810 --> 01:49:37,410
an introduction to all that and then

2487
01:49:43,070 --> 01:49:38,820
maybe we can get back to that question

2488
01:49:45,670 --> 01:49:43,080
my first non-fiction book was latitude

2489
01:49:50,140 --> 01:49:45,680
33 keepeth the Kingdom in which I

2490
01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:50,150
presented a theory and my analysis of

2491
01:49:55,700 --> 01:49:53,250
the what I refer to as the esoteric

2492
01:49:58,400 --> 01:49:55,710
engineering of the original Disneyland

2493
01:50:00,530 --> 01:49:58,410
in Anaheim and the book goes into all

2494
01:50:03,890 --> 01:50:00,540
the details with that and the WHO and

2495
01:50:06,620 --> 01:50:03,900
the why and the how and it involves the

2496
01:50:08,420 --> 01:50:06,630
telluric current which is an actual it's

2497
01:50:10,490 --> 01:50:08,430
an Els an extreme low frequency that

2498
01:50:13,220 --> 01:50:10,500
does run through the planet it's

2499
01:50:16,250 --> 01:50:13,230
probably the world grid so to speak that

2500
01:50:18,440 --> 01:50:16,260
Tesla was talking about telegraphy since

2501
01:50:22,370 --> 01:50:18,450
the days of the building of the

2502
01:50:25,190 --> 01:50:22,380
railroads in the 1850s 1860s telegraphy

2503
01:50:28,820 --> 01:50:25,200
has been tapped into this tular current

2504
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:28,830
you know for now you know over 150 years

2505
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:31,530
and so it's an actual real scientific

2506
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:33,930
thing the telluric current stuff now if

2507
01:50:39,860 --> 01:50:37,170
this explains the world grid the theory

2508
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:39,870
in my latitude 33 book again theory a

2509
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:44,130
big speculation was that the park was

2510
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:48,480
built on the intersection of three of

2511
01:50:54,170 --> 01:50:51,930
these tiller currents it theoretically

2512
01:50:56,930 --> 01:50:54,180
has served the great success of the

2513
01:51:00,590 --> 01:50:56,940
original Disneyland so it would make

2514
01:51:03,020 --> 01:51:00,600
sense that if they were back in 1969-70

2515
01:51:05,420 --> 01:51:03,030
when they were building Disneyworld that

2516
01:51:09,380 --> 01:51:05,430
they might try to repeat that the guy

2517
01:51:12,260 --> 01:51:09,390
who was responsible for that had not

2518
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:12,270
been associated with Disney for I think

2519
01:51:16,930 --> 01:51:14,130
over ten years by the time of Disney

2520
01:51:19,340 --> 01:51:16,940
World was built the guy my guy who

2521
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:19,350
identifies where these telluric currents

2522
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:21,930
run I'd have to look at the map but yeah

2523
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:23,370
there is to lurk current running through

2524
01:51:27,620 --> 01:51:26,010
the area of Disneyworld there's not like

2525
01:51:29,150 --> 01:51:27,630
an intersection of three lines like

2526
01:51:31,250 --> 01:51:29,160
there's theoretically at Disneyland

2527
01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:31,260
according him and according to my book

2528
01:51:39,290 --> 01:51:35,250
so I do not think the same kind of thing

2529
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:39,300
was attempted at Disneyworld it doesn't

2530
01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:41,370
mean it wasn't I just I just don't think

2531
01:51:47,210 --> 01:51:44,490
that it was or if it was it wasn't the

2532
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:47,220
original guys you know so it was kind of

2533
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:48,480
maybe a and

2534
01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:51,840
a weak or kind of not fully realized

2535
01:51:58,640 --> 01:51:55,890
attempt but certainly it could be you

2536
01:52:01,040 --> 01:51:58,650
know but I again my focus was Disneyland

2537
01:52:03,140 --> 01:52:01,050
the original one in anti in California

2538
01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:03,150
and a little bit looking at Disneyworld

2539
01:52:07,700 --> 01:52:05,130
because of just generally the stuff in

2540
01:52:10,810 --> 01:52:07,710
Florida as regards the telluric current

2541
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:10,820
theoretical stuff I've been to both

2542
01:52:15,470 --> 01:52:13,410
person I wasn't sucked in but nowadays I

2543
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:15,480
couldn't afford it I mean they this is

2544
01:52:19,910 --> 01:52:18,090
supposed to be something for kids and I

2545
01:52:22,430 --> 01:52:19,920
know I'll just he was such a family man

2546
01:52:25,580 --> 01:52:22,440
and they've made these things so

2547
01:52:28,420 --> 01:52:25,590
expensive yeah that you have to spend a

2548
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:28,430
week salary yeah it's pathetic

2549
01:52:34,430 --> 01:52:31,050
yeah what can we say about that it's

2550
01:52:37,130 --> 01:52:34,440
just that's just awful and it's the way

2551
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:37,140
it is though that's the way it is it's

2552
01:52:44,060 --> 01:52:38,850
not just the Magic Kingdom

2553
01:52:46,130 --> 01:52:44,070
it's the magic expensive Kingdom yeah

2554
01:52:46,970 --> 01:52:46,140
it's the magic money maker for them

2555
01:52:49,790 --> 01:52:46,980
that's for sure

2556
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:49,800
so do you think they knew about these

2557
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:51,330
two lyric currents when they built well

2558
01:52:55,550 --> 01:52:51,920
he worked

2559
01:52:57,830 --> 01:52:55,560
you mean Disneyland yeah well there was

2560
01:52:59,630 --> 01:52:57,840
a little reference there sorry I thought

2561
01:53:03,860 --> 01:52:59,640
everybody had seen national lampoon's

2562
01:53:06,830 --> 01:53:03,870
vacation i I suggest and theorized that

2563
01:53:09,170 --> 01:53:06,840
I proposed that yeah the guy who was

2564
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:09,180
hired to engineer Disneyland in the 50s

2565
01:53:16,220 --> 01:53:12,210
was a guy named Cornelius Vanderbilt

2566
01:53:19,460 --> 01:53:16,230
would CV would he was working for get

2567
01:53:22,700 --> 01:53:19,470
this the Stanford Research Institute SR

2568
01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:22,710
I the same place that happen and Russell

2569
01:53:30,350 --> 01:53:26,370
Targ and SR I came out of okay and CV

2570
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:30,360
would was in circles you know was

2571
01:53:36,260 --> 01:53:33,090
friends with known psychics and and

2572
01:53:37,729 --> 01:53:36,270
writers of esoteric stuff he was into

2573
01:53:40,090 --> 01:53:37,739
this he was one of the founders of

2574
01:53:42,290 --> 01:53:40,100
what's called the mind science

2575
01:53:47,420 --> 01:53:42,300
foundation I think is what it's called

2576
01:53:51,530 --> 01:53:47,430
and one of the guys who ran that was Tom

2577
01:53:53,330 --> 01:53:51,540
Swift the the wealthy philanthropist guy

2578
01:53:55,100 --> 01:53:53,340
who was known to have gone on

2579
01:53:58,130 --> 01:53:55,110
expeditions looking for the abominable

2580
01:54:01,160 --> 01:53:58,140
snowman and you know the Yeti and and

2581
01:54:01,830 --> 01:54:01,170
such and so CV Wood was into this

2582
01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:01,840
esoteric

2583
01:54:07,110 --> 01:54:04,210
stuff in the 50s when Walt and Roy

2584
01:54:08,970 --> 01:54:07,120
Disney were formulating their plan to

2585
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:08,980
build Disneyland and they went to SR I

2586
01:54:16,590 --> 01:54:13,840
as a you know a consultancy to get input

2587
01:54:19,110 --> 01:54:16,600
on where would be the best location you

2588
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:19,120
know how how should they do this how

2589
01:54:23,340 --> 01:54:21,610
should they do that and would was the Sr

2590
01:54:26,850 --> 01:54:23,350
I guy assigned to work the Disney

2591
01:54:29,730 --> 01:54:26,860
account and he liked the idea of the

2592
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:29,740
project so much that he left SR I and

2593
01:54:36,060 --> 01:54:32,650
went to work for Disney to be the chief

2594
01:54:37,950 --> 01:54:36,070
engineer of physical Disneyland so you

2595
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:37,960
got a guy who's into esoteric and

2596
01:54:43,050 --> 01:54:40,210
paranormal stuff who's been handed the

2597
01:54:46,740 --> 01:54:43,060
job to physically engineer Disneyland

2598
01:54:49,170 --> 01:54:46,750
and that's you know a big part of the

2599
01:54:51,570 --> 01:54:49,180
theory that I proposed is that he knew

2600
01:54:54,120 --> 01:54:51,580
about this interest he's the one the

2601
01:54:56,130 --> 01:54:54,130
Disney's were looking at either San

2602
01:54:58,140 --> 01:54:56,140
Fernando Valley or they were looking out

2603
01:55:00,000 --> 01:54:58,150
here at San Bernardino Valley actually

2604
01:55:01,950 --> 01:55:00,010
over in the Inland Empire out here by

2605
01:55:03,960 --> 01:55:01,960
Riverside um they were looking at other

2606
01:55:05,790 --> 01:55:03,970
locations and CV wood as the guy that

2607
01:55:07,380 --> 01:55:05,800
said no you want to get these hundred

2608
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:07,390
and sixty acres in Anaheim

2609
01:55:12,510 --> 01:55:09,850
these orange groves so CV wood is the

2610
01:55:15,690 --> 01:55:12,520
guy that actually selected the site and

2611
01:55:17,220 --> 01:55:15,700
you know presented it to a Walt and Roy

2612
01:55:19,410 --> 01:55:17,230
this is where you need to build this

2613
01:55:21,450 --> 01:55:19,420
park and now of course you know he

2614
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:21,460
backed it up with Anaheim's gonna be a

2615
01:55:24,510 --> 01:55:22,930
growing community it's gonna be

2616
01:55:26,490 --> 01:55:24,520
centrally located in Southern California

2617
01:55:29,550 --> 01:55:26,500
and you know you're gonna get the

2618
01:55:31,380 --> 01:55:29,560
optimum you know geographical location

2619
01:55:34,170 --> 01:55:31,390
it's the population grows and blah blah

2620
01:55:35,670 --> 01:55:34,180
blah but think about it this guy was

2621
01:55:38,550 --> 01:55:35,680
really into the esoteric and the

2622
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:38,560
paranormal and he's the one that picks

2623
01:55:42,690 --> 01:55:40,330
the specific it could have been anywhere

2624
01:55:45,540 --> 01:55:42,700
in Anaheim but he picked the specific

2625
01:55:47,670 --> 01:55:45,550
spot that again my guy theoretically

2626
01:55:49,860 --> 01:55:47,680
says look at these when you read the

2627
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:49,870
terrain with geomorphology you've got

2628
01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:52,090
this intersection of these three tiller

2629
01:55:57,480 --> 01:55:54,970
currents you know again that's that's my

2630
01:55:59,810 --> 01:55:57,490
theory but you know a lot of people hate

2631
01:56:03,210 --> 01:55:59,820
it a lot of people love that book and

2632
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:03,220
you know it's it's in there how do you

2633
01:56:07,890 --> 01:56:05,010
come up with all of these sort of

2634
01:56:09,270 --> 01:56:07,900
coincidental synchronistic types of

2635
01:56:10,920 --> 01:56:09,280
things I mean maybe they were

2636
01:56:14,460 --> 01:56:10,930
intentional maybe they weren't but they

2637
01:56:17,130 --> 01:56:14,470
sure are interesting to to consider

2638
01:56:19,620 --> 01:56:17,140
search and investigation I mean again

2639
01:56:21,930 --> 01:56:19,630
it's it's I know you were just speaking

2640
01:56:24,090 --> 01:56:21,940
colloquy but think about it is not that

2641
01:56:25,830 --> 01:56:24,100
I come up with it it's that I find it

2642
01:56:27,930 --> 01:56:25,840
you know through research and

2643
01:56:31,890 --> 01:56:27,940
investigation and and then of course

2644
01:56:34,200 --> 01:56:31,900
based on what I find it's mine now I'll

2645
01:56:36,540 --> 01:56:34,210
say and identify this you know basically

2646
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:36,550
it's my analysis my speculation that I

2647
01:56:41,820 --> 01:56:38,530
think this is what these things mean or

2648
01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:41,830
could mean so as a writer then you sort

2649
01:56:46,410 --> 01:56:44,650
of grab onto a string and just start

2650
01:56:52,020 --> 01:56:46,420
pulling at the thread I pull threats you

2651
01:56:55,500 --> 01:56:52,030
and interesting I both breads and you

2652
01:56:57,600 --> 01:56:55,510
know I look my I tell people you know

2653
01:57:00,930 --> 01:56:57,610
what disagree with my conclusions and

2654
01:57:02,690 --> 01:57:00,940
speculations all day long we've got more

2655
01:57:06,150 --> 01:57:02,700
to come with Walter Mosley and his

2656
01:57:11,630 --> 01:57:06,160
barking dog with Gene and Randall you're

2657
01:57:20,090 --> 01:57:17,620
[Music]

2658
01:57:21,830 --> 01:57:20,100
attack of the rock ODEs has been

2659
01:57:23,750 --> 01:57:21,840
well-received by critics and readers

2660
01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:23,760
alike it's a thrill a minute story

2661
01:57:28,939 --> 01:57:26,610
you'll never forget a former US military

2662
01:57:31,220 --> 01:57:28,949
intelligence officer is haunted by

2663
01:57:33,860 --> 01:57:31,230
intense dreams about a beautiful woman

2664
01:57:36,620 --> 01:57:33,870
pleading for his help after a terrible

2665
01:57:38,750 --> 01:57:36,630
battle in outer space but the dreams

2666
01:57:40,700 --> 01:57:38,760
turn out to be true and thrust him into

2667
01:57:43,430 --> 01:57:40,710
a telepathic love affair with a woman

2668
01:57:45,770 --> 01:57:43,440
whose faraway planet is intent on

2669
01:57:48,590 --> 01:57:45,780
destroying the earth and now the

2670
01:57:51,080 --> 01:57:48,600
gripping tale continues in but coming of

2671
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the protectors it's the second book of

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gentlemen that is not teddy bear and the

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is barking they can hear at a half-mile

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away because he is a tenor I mean

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literally this dog is a tenor you hear

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that dog no matter what this dog has a

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gentle calm relaxing bark what am I

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talking about

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Walter Bosley let's continue so I enjoy

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the Disney theory here but then we might

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encourage people to break him there at

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night and kind of start digging things

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up I don't think they'd really find

2781
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anything in that sense I think the kind

2782
02:02:25,340 --> 02:02:21,930
of things I talked about Disneyland or

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it's clear for you to see as far as what

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was put there to take advantage of this

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esoteric location it's in the symbolism

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02:02:35,330 --> 02:02:33,330
particularly around Fantasyland you know

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it's in it's in the juxtaposition of

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things it's an understanding for

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instance it's and I go into this in the

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book you know it's my opinion that

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02:02:47,120 --> 02:02:44,220
there's a reason they centered

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Fantasyland right where this alleged

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intersection of this tool or current is

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02:02:55,880 --> 02:02:53,100
okay because when you delve into the

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stories the folklore the fairy tales

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that Disney drew from you know the

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02:03:04,100 --> 02:03:01,020
things he did you know Snow White

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Pinocchio and such all of that when you

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dig into the actual lore the ancient and

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the folklore you find the esoteric true

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meanings of these things for instance

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02:03:16,640 --> 02:03:14,730
now and I talked about this in the book

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02:03:18,350 --> 02:03:16,650
you know the image of the little gnome

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02:03:20,930 --> 02:03:18,360
you know the little gnomes with the red

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02:03:24,410 --> 02:03:20,940
cone hats well you know there's one

2806
02:03:26,240 --> 02:03:24,420
source that points out that these gnomes

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02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:26,250
first of all they weren't little guys

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that were normal-sized humans and these

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02:03:33,290 --> 02:03:31,800
hats start out white according you know

2810
02:03:35,090 --> 02:03:33,300
to this one source I find this

2811
02:03:40,480 --> 02:03:35,100
interesting but

2812
02:03:43,730 --> 02:03:40,490
drink the menstrual blood of virgins

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02:03:47,330 --> 02:03:43,740
from those hats so that they eventually

2814
02:03:50,570 --> 02:03:47,340
turn red and this is done for you know

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02:03:52,460 --> 02:03:50,580
ritualistic esoteric knowledge and

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02:03:54,020 --> 02:03:52,470
connecting on the higher levels of

2817
02:03:58,130 --> 02:03:54,030
consciousness and all that stuff now

2818
02:04:00,350 --> 02:03:58,140
whether that lore itself is true or not

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02:04:01,940 --> 02:04:00,360
or anything it's it gives you a

2820
02:04:04,670 --> 02:04:01,950
different image of the little garden

2821
02:04:07,370 --> 02:04:04,680
gnome or the or as in the Disney case

2822
02:04:08,270 --> 02:04:07,380
the Seven Dwarves right Snow White and

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02:04:11,450 --> 02:04:08,280
the Seven Dwarfs

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02:04:12,680 --> 02:04:11,460
you know you think oh wow okay it when

2825
02:04:15,050 --> 02:04:12,690
you're at Disneyland

2826
02:04:19,430 --> 02:04:15,060
there's imagery that's on the carousel

2827
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:19,440
okay of keys you have like two keys on

2828
02:04:24,830 --> 02:04:22,410
one of the shield's you have a face

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02:04:27,740 --> 02:04:24,840
that's in different spots on the

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02:04:29,930 --> 02:04:27,750
carousel is it male or is it female well

2831
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:29,940
in my analysis that represents the

2832
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:32,970
Hermetic hermaphrodite in alchemy the

2833
02:04:38,720 --> 02:04:35,370
hermaphrodite is a symbol and here you

2834
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:38,730
have this face so our keys okay but here

2835
02:04:43,250 --> 02:04:40,890
you have the space that is it male is it

2836
02:04:45,560 --> 02:04:43,260
female well that could be the out

2837
02:04:47,750 --> 02:04:45,570
chemical hermaphrodite on the carousel

2838
02:04:50,330 --> 02:04:47,760
and the bit with the keys you know

2839
02:04:52,910 --> 02:04:50,340
that's it in alchemical and hermetic and

2840
02:04:54,290 --> 02:04:52,920
esoteric lore as well so you're standing

2841
02:04:55,670 --> 02:04:54,300
there in Fantasyland you're looking

2842
02:04:57,830 --> 02:04:55,680
around and when you know all this stuff

2843
02:04:59,570 --> 02:04:57,840
you're just seeing things left and right

2844
02:05:02,120 --> 02:04:59,580
Joshua kuchen who's an author I think

2845
02:05:03,770 --> 02:05:02,130
you've had on here before I I think he's

2846
02:05:05,930 --> 02:05:03,780
he might be in California right now

2847
02:05:08,570 --> 02:05:05,940
anyway he's been posting stuff of his

2848
02:05:10,130 --> 02:05:08,580
trip to Disneyland and he he knows what

2849
02:05:11,870 --> 02:05:10,140
I'm talking about and he's pointing out

2850
02:05:13,730 --> 02:05:11,880
it's like oh my gosh

2851
02:05:15,500 --> 02:05:13,740
look at this look at that he even

2852
02:05:17,570 --> 02:05:15,510
mentioned me he said well that Walter

2853
02:05:19,730 --> 02:05:17,580
posit were friends he says boy he's not

2854
02:05:22,460 --> 02:05:19,740
crazy after all because the the

2855
02:05:25,550 --> 02:05:22,470
symbolism has definitely there I might

2856
02:05:30,740 --> 02:05:25,560
be crazy but the symbolism is there so

2857
02:05:32,870 --> 02:05:30,750
it's yeah latitude 33 was it can be kind

2858
02:05:35,210 --> 02:05:32,880
of a trippy book when you think Wow was

2859
02:05:37,730 --> 02:05:35,220
it stuff did did these guys really put

2860
02:05:40,640 --> 02:05:37,740
this stuff in here and what's it what is

2861
02:05:43,280 --> 02:05:40,650
it doing on the the subconscious level

2862
02:05:45,590 --> 02:05:43,290
it's my opinion that the whole if I'm

2863
02:05:48,500 --> 02:05:45,600
right in CV would engineer Disneyland

2864
02:05:52,400 --> 02:05:48,510
him to be the psychotronic device

2865
02:05:54,590 --> 02:05:52,410
I I do believe it was done for positive

2866
02:05:57,440 --> 02:05:54,600
reasons just to make the park a more

2867
02:05:59,960 --> 02:05:57,450
enjoyable psycho-emotional experience

2868
02:06:02,120 --> 02:05:59,970
not going to do any kind of evil mind

2869
02:06:05,420 --> 02:06:02,130
control but when people go off on this

2870
02:06:07,340 --> 02:06:05,430
Walt Disney conspiracy stuff I just my

2871
02:06:10,750 --> 02:06:07,350
head explodes so they're not sending a

2872
02:06:14,390 --> 02:06:10,760
subliminal message saying you'll pay the

2873
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:14,400
475 no there does kneel and it's more

2874
02:06:19,010 --> 02:06:17,010
just to create a good feeling kind of

2875
02:06:21,980 --> 02:06:19,020
forget the outside world and enjoy

2876
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:21,990
yourself now again I defend Walt Disney

2877
02:06:27,620 --> 02:06:24,570
yeah he drank he smoked he cussed he

2878
02:06:29,600 --> 02:06:27,630
hated unions blah blah blah but you know

2879
02:06:32,150 --> 02:06:29,610
what when you look at anything truly

2880
02:06:33,860 --> 02:06:32,160
nefarious and evil this the Disney

2881
02:06:36,890 --> 02:06:33,870
Corporation could have done or does

2882
02:06:38,630 --> 02:06:36,900
that's long after he died I mean I take

2883
02:06:42,820 --> 02:06:38,640
issue with some of the stuff Disney does

2884
02:06:46,870 --> 02:06:42,830
today and has done since he died but

2885
02:06:52,310 --> 02:06:46,880
Walt himself was not a Mason he was not

2886
02:06:56,480 --> 02:06:52,320
you know it's yeah okay this information

2887
02:07:00,740 --> 02:06:56,490
here okay a Disneyland or California

2888
02:07:04,070 --> 02:07:00,750
Adventure remains $97 for low demand

2889
02:07:06,020 --> 02:07:04,080
days sweet days in May a ticket for

2890
02:07:09,200 --> 02:07:06,030
regular demand this is interesting it's

2891
02:07:11,720 --> 02:07:09,210
like a hotel almost $175 is when they

2892
02:07:16,610 --> 02:07:11,730
raise their prices and the price of a

2893
02:07:18,890 --> 02:07:16,620
ticket on peak demand age is $135 yeah

2894
02:07:21,460 --> 02:07:18,900
you know I I'd like to comment on that

2895
02:07:23,960 --> 02:07:21,470
all my life I personally loves

2896
02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:23,970
Disneyland when I was a kid it was my

2897
02:07:29,060 --> 02:07:27,450
favorite place to go I have Disney you

2898
02:07:31,370 --> 02:07:29,070
know books in my collection you know the

2899
02:07:34,400 --> 02:07:31,380
big the big expensive thick picture

2900
02:07:37,130 --> 02:07:34,410
books cuz I'm a fan of the classic

2901
02:07:40,100 --> 02:07:37,140
Disney stuff okay I loved going to

2902
02:07:42,260 --> 02:07:40,110
Disneyland okay since these price let me

2903
02:07:46,010 --> 02:07:42,270
tell you something on my very best day

2904
02:07:49,460 --> 02:07:46,020
at Disneyland there's never not then nor

2905
02:07:52,280 --> 02:07:49,470
now anything in that part not of the

2906
02:07:54,680 --> 02:07:52,290
best day in that part is worth that much

2907
02:07:58,510 --> 02:07:54,690
money to step foot in that place well I

2908
02:08:00,290 --> 02:07:58,520
know I went to Disney World in Orlando

2909
02:08:04,160 --> 02:08:00,300
with

2910
02:08:08,690 --> 02:08:04,170
my wife and my son and it's gotta be 20

2911
02:08:10,610 --> 02:08:08,700
years ago and it cost a fortune and we

2912
02:08:12,260 --> 02:08:10,620
did all the things to find discounts in

2913
02:08:16,550 --> 02:08:12,270
those days this is before the online

2914
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:16,560
world and Hotwire and Expedia and all

2915
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:19,050
those plays in Priceline with William

2916
02:08:25,790 --> 02:08:21,450
Shatner's daughter all that stuff we

2917
02:08:29,120 --> 02:08:25,800
went then and it really required saving

2918
02:08:32,270 --> 02:08:29,130
for a long long time yeah I didn't feel

2919
02:08:34,490 --> 02:08:32,280
that great I mean it was okay but it

2920
02:08:36,650 --> 02:08:34,500
didn't grab me quite as much as the

2921
02:08:39,170 --> 02:08:36,660
original Disneyland maybe that's just me

2922
02:08:40,880 --> 02:08:39,180
well and even the original you know the

2923
02:08:42,890 --> 02:08:40,890
last time I went there I couldn't

2924
02:08:45,890 --> 02:08:42,900
believe the condition of certain areas

2925
02:08:47,630 --> 02:08:45,900
of the park look particularly when Walt

2926
02:08:51,410 --> 02:08:47,640
was alive but even if four years after

2927
02:08:53,570 --> 02:08:51,420
that they never would let handrails the

2928
02:08:57,080 --> 02:08:53,580
paint on them get worn off they would

2929
02:08:58,970 --> 02:08:57,090
never let grime gather on any surface

2930
02:09:01,100 --> 02:08:58,980
the trash cans or anything and I was

2931
02:09:03,620 --> 02:09:01,110
looking at grime I was looking at worn

2932
02:09:06,800 --> 02:09:03,630
paint I was looking at areas of the park

2933
02:09:09,320 --> 02:09:06,810
that were just neglected it was it was

2934
02:09:11,300 --> 02:09:09,330
just that was it that was my last night

2935
02:09:13,490 --> 02:09:11,310
in fact I went with specially my

2936
02:09:15,170 --> 02:09:13,500
guidance the author who does the

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geomorphology thing when I went with he

2938
02:09:21,410 --> 02:09:18,180
and his brothers in 2009 when you see

2939
02:09:24,230 --> 02:09:21,420
nowadays Disney has all these expenses

2940
02:09:29,600 --> 02:09:24,240
they got to fund all those 200 or 300

2941
02:09:31,730 --> 02:09:29,610
million dollar movies Marvel movies look

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02:09:34,310 --> 02:09:31,740
at what they own look at what they own

2943
02:09:36,590 --> 02:09:34,320
they're making so much money that they

2944
02:09:40,640 --> 02:09:36,600
could you know they could they could go

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02:09:43,430 --> 02:09:40,650
back to making it $45 to get into the

2946
02:09:46,010 --> 02:09:43,440
park and that includes your unlimited

2947
02:09:48,470 --> 02:09:46,020
pass that might also be crowd management

2948
02:09:51,350 --> 02:09:48,480
if it gets too crowded the best way to

2949
02:09:53,240 --> 02:09:51,360
restrict the crowd is to raise the price

2950
02:09:55,190 --> 02:09:53,250
but that affects however don't have the

2951
02:09:57,410 --> 02:09:55,200
money let me do the break then we'll

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02:10:00,290 --> 02:09:57,420
have our however we've got more to come

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with Walter Jeanne and Randall you're in

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[Music]

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tax increase what happened after we said

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have been a close call for Venezuelan

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president Nicolas Maduro as he was

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giving a speech at a military event

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officials say drones loaded with

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explosives detonated close by they

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claimed it was clearly an attack on

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Maduro he wasn't hurt but some National

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Guard soldiers were BBC correspondent

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Duncan Gillis taani watched the video

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concede the president Nicolas Maduro

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look off and then the transmission cut

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away two faces in the crowd and then if

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you look can see people dispersing away

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after we now believe was an attempt on

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Nicolas Maduro s life there's no word

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standard of paranormal radio okay so I'm

3043
02:14:49,439 --> 02:14:46,840
what I said before we broke was it may

3044
02:14:52,409 --> 02:14:49,449
be a high price is partly crowd control

3045
02:14:54,209 --> 02:14:52,419
so if people can't afford it fewer

3046
02:14:56,429 --> 02:14:54,219
people come but they still make more

3047
02:14:58,290 --> 02:14:56,439
money with a higher prices but guess

3048
02:14:58,979 --> 02:14:58,300
what if they're doing that it's not

3049
02:15:00,389 --> 02:14:58,989
working

3050
02:15:03,209 --> 02:15:00,399
yeah that's the other problem with

3051
02:15:04,859 --> 02:15:03,219
Disneyland it costs a fortune to get in

3052
02:15:07,439 --> 02:15:04,869
there and then when you get in there the

3053
02:15:10,529 --> 02:15:07,449
place is always so darn crowded that

3054
02:15:13,469 --> 02:15:10,539
it's just you can't enjoy it so no

3055
02:15:16,109 --> 02:15:13,479
they're cranking that price up it's a

3056
02:15:17,699 --> 02:15:16,119
cash grab it's a money cow whatever you

3057
02:15:20,819 --> 02:15:17,709
want to call it they're doing it to just

3058
02:15:23,759 --> 02:15:20,829
make as much possible money as they can

3059
02:15:26,489 --> 02:15:23,769
because the place is always there's

3060
02:15:28,319 --> 02:15:26,499
really too many people there you can't

3061
02:15:30,270 --> 02:15:28,329
see a lot of stuff because of the crowds

3062
02:15:33,060 --> 02:15:30,280
I know what you're talking yeah you're

3063
02:15:35,399 --> 02:15:33,070
standing in long long lines even with

3064
02:15:37,500 --> 02:15:35,409
Fast Pass you know you're standing in

3065
02:15:41,819 --> 02:15:37,510
line it's just yes I'm not an advocate

3066
02:15:44,849 --> 02:15:41,829
of that park like I used to be it's it's

3067
02:15:46,919 --> 02:15:44,859
yes well you can see how when it was

3068
02:15:48,659 --> 02:15:46,929
created that if you're going to create a

3069
02:15:51,689 --> 02:15:48,669
fantasy land you're going to want to

3070
02:15:53,939 --> 02:15:51,699
have something to base it on so it would

3071
02:15:56,969 --> 02:15:53,949
be pretty normal for artists and

3072
02:15:59,069 --> 02:15:56,979
conceptual people to look at the legends

3073
02:16:01,799 --> 02:15:59,079
and myths and and build that into the

3074
02:16:03,989 --> 02:16:01,809
architecture and and so on so I don't

3075
02:16:06,209 --> 02:16:03,999
think it necessarily has to be made into

3076
02:16:08,580 --> 02:16:06,219
kind of this sort of a kind of a big

3077
02:16:10,169 --> 02:16:08,590
mystery and then if there just happens

3078
02:16:12,299 --> 02:16:10,179
to be something like telluric currents

3079
02:16:16,259 --> 02:16:12,309
in the area which are kind of all over

3080
02:16:18,359 --> 02:16:16,269
the world anyway oh yeah yeah and it is

3081
02:16:19,799 --> 02:16:18,369
a real scientific thing like you say but

3082
02:16:21,899 --> 02:16:19,809
you know you could point that out and

3083
02:16:23,729 --> 02:16:21,909
then point to all of this the symbolism

3084
02:16:25,109 --> 02:16:23,739
and there's a lot of symbolism in

3085
02:16:26,759 --> 02:16:25,119
Disneyland of course it's there on

3086
02:16:30,479 --> 02:16:26,769
purpose is there to draw your attention

3087
02:16:32,669 --> 02:16:30,489
to the the myth and mystery and so I

3088
02:16:34,469 --> 02:16:32,679
guess it depends on what the person

3089
02:16:35,400 --> 02:16:34,479
who's being exposed to it wants to think

3090
02:16:38,190 --> 02:16:35,410
of that

3091
02:16:40,589 --> 02:16:38,200
it's superficially is oh look there's

3092
02:16:43,169 --> 02:16:40,599
the dwarfs there's Pinocchio there's a

3093
02:16:46,320 --> 02:16:43,179
there's the crow that was you know the

3094
02:16:48,600 --> 02:16:46,330
witch's crow in Snow White

3095
02:16:51,860 --> 02:16:48,610
there's the Oh the King Arthur carousel

3096
02:16:54,690 --> 02:16:51,870
with the happy looks like a jester face

3097
02:16:56,910 --> 02:16:54,700
superficially this is stuff in movies we

3098
02:16:58,889 --> 02:16:56,920
made these are characters or this is

3099
02:17:02,389 --> 02:16:58,899
just what you find you know in King

3100
02:17:04,709 --> 02:17:02,399
Arthur's Court but under the surface

3101
02:17:07,799 --> 02:17:04,719
99.9 percent the people going to that

3102
02:17:10,830 --> 02:17:07,809
Park aren't familiar with the symbology

3103
02:17:12,990 --> 02:17:10,840
the double entendre of what they're

3104
02:17:15,000 --> 02:17:13,000
looking at they're not familiar what the

3105
02:17:18,990 --> 02:17:15,010
crow actually means they're not familiar

3106
02:17:21,419 --> 02:17:19,000
with what the origin of the carousel was

3107
02:17:23,820 --> 02:17:21,429
they're not familiar with what the

3108
02:17:26,339 --> 02:17:23,830
dwarves might actually represent and the

3109
02:17:28,530 --> 02:17:26,349
hats that little gnomes wear stuff yeah

3110
02:17:30,839 --> 02:17:28,540
sure it could all be really interesting

3111
02:17:32,669 --> 02:17:30,849
from a mythological perspective from

3112
02:17:34,320 --> 02:17:32,679
someone who is aware of all of that and

3113
02:17:36,089 --> 02:17:34,330
make it even a more interesting place to

3114
02:17:38,730 --> 02:17:36,099
visit yeah you know that doesn't

3115
02:17:40,020 --> 02:17:38,740
necessarily make it an actual magical

3116
02:17:42,450 --> 02:17:40,030
place of course but

3117
02:17:44,879 --> 02:17:42,460
oh right right I know oh yeah what I

3118
02:17:47,429 --> 02:17:44,889
present is just it's a theory it's what

3119
02:17:48,480 --> 02:17:47,439
I think remember here's the thing and I

3120
02:17:49,980 --> 02:17:48,490
say this in the impair of the wheel

3121
02:17:53,400 --> 02:17:49,990
stuff for expense and I do in the first

3122
02:17:56,070 --> 02:17:53,410
book and I repeat it CV wood it doesn't

3123
02:17:58,379 --> 02:17:56,080
mean that we have to believe that CV

3124
02:18:00,750 --> 02:17:58,389
wood actually pulled this off what I'm

3125
02:18:03,500 --> 02:18:00,760
presenting is here's the details here's

3126
02:18:07,589 --> 02:18:03,510
the facts here's the reasons why I think

3127
02:18:11,100 --> 02:18:07,599
CV wood thought he could or believed he

3128
02:18:12,839 --> 02:18:11,110
could make this happen okay you could

3129
02:18:15,570 --> 02:18:12,849
take that approach to but it's like well

3130
02:18:17,370 --> 02:18:15,580
I don't believe it's possible but yeah I

3131
02:18:18,959 --> 02:18:17,380
think he thought it was possible and I

3132
02:18:21,060 --> 02:18:18,969
could see where he did this that the

3133
02:18:23,549 --> 02:18:21,070
other because he thought this is what he

3134
02:18:27,030 --> 02:18:23,559
was doing oh yeah sure it's kind of like

3135
02:18:29,310 --> 02:18:27,040
when an investigator profiles a serial

3136
02:18:32,910 --> 02:18:29,320
killer right the serial killer thinks

3137
02:18:36,030 --> 02:18:32,920
that if he kills old ladies on top of

3138
02:18:38,700 --> 02:18:36,040
Mount Shasta on Thursday afternoons at

3139
02:18:41,219 --> 02:18:38,710
3:30 p.m. that he's doing some type of

3140
02:18:43,169 --> 02:18:41,229
magical act and that's why we're finding

3141
02:18:45,629 --> 02:18:43,179
all the bodies of these old ladies on

3142
02:18:48,839 --> 02:18:45,639
Mount Shasta baba wawa wife he learns

3143
02:18:50,639 --> 02:18:48,849
then that it's Friday morning oh my god

3144
02:18:54,240 --> 02:18:50,649
Friday morning y'all go ahead what the

3145
02:18:56,189 --> 02:18:54,250
profiler does says okay this is what

3146
02:18:57,870 --> 02:18:56,199
this crazy guy believed and I have to

3147
02:18:59,549 --> 02:18:57,880
understand what he believed in order to

3148
02:19:01,559 --> 02:18:59,559
catch him in order to figure out what he

3149
02:19:03,089 --> 02:19:01,569
was doing it doesn't mean that I think

3150
02:19:05,099 --> 02:19:03,099
there's any magic to him kill an old

3151
02:19:07,229 --> 02:19:05,109
ladies on Mount Shasta and and that's

3152
02:19:09,149 --> 02:19:07,239
the way you could look at Disneyland and

3153
02:19:11,639 --> 02:19:09,159
Seavey would is you don't have to agree

3154
02:19:13,830 --> 02:19:11,649
that there's any magic going on but you

3155
02:19:16,290 --> 02:19:13,840
can look at and say oh wow it looks like

3156
02:19:18,839 --> 02:19:16,300
this guy you know might have thought he

3157
02:19:21,059 --> 02:19:18,849
could do this and that in itself this

3158
02:19:23,099 --> 02:19:21,069
but we can look at it in an objective

3159
02:19:25,259 --> 02:19:23,109
historical fashion and it's still yet

3160
02:19:29,490 --> 02:19:25,269
interesting it has there been any kind

3161
02:19:32,549 --> 02:19:29,500
of more weirdness type stuff going on or

3162
02:19:34,349 --> 02:19:32,559
I've been associated with the the any of

3163
02:19:36,149 --> 02:19:34,359
the Disney stuff that you know about

3164
02:19:37,799 --> 02:19:36,159
like stuff that people would say well

3165
02:19:39,359 --> 02:19:37,809
that really is weird I mean I know the

3166
02:19:41,700 --> 02:19:39,369
haunted house is just mirrors and a

3167
02:19:43,979 --> 02:19:41,710
roller coaster but well you know there

3168
02:19:45,299 --> 02:19:43,989
there is some weird stuff there's a

3169
02:19:47,820 --> 02:19:45,309
chapter in my book where I talk about

3170
02:19:50,729 --> 02:19:47,830
the reports of ghosts that people have

3171
02:19:53,729 --> 02:19:50,739
claimed to have encountered at the park

3172
02:19:56,250 --> 02:19:53,739
employees as well as as I think guests

3173
02:19:59,250 --> 02:19:56,260
but mostly employees it's my opinion

3174
02:20:02,880 --> 02:19:59,260
that if you look at what I proposed that

3175
02:20:05,519 --> 02:20:02,890
CV wood did it's my opinion that in 1982

3176
02:20:07,620 --> 02:20:05,529
with the redesign of Fantasyland they

3177
02:20:10,469 --> 02:20:07,630
moved some things around they moved the

3178
02:20:11,700 --> 02:20:10,479
carousel from its original spot it's my

3179
02:20:15,120 --> 02:20:11,710
opinion that when they moved the

3180
02:20:17,309 --> 02:20:15,130
carousel this device theoretical device

3181
02:20:19,649 --> 02:20:17,319
that CV would thought he was creating in

3182
02:20:22,620 --> 02:20:19,659
my opinion would have been theoretically

3183
02:20:25,590 --> 02:20:22,630
deactivated really the and anything that

3184
02:20:28,969 --> 02:20:25,600
CV wood was trying to do in my theory

3185
02:20:34,620 --> 02:20:28,979
would have been done would have been

3186
02:20:36,750 --> 02:20:34,630
happening between 1955 and 1981 and then

3187
02:20:38,280 --> 02:20:36,760
it's my opinion that once they because

3188
02:20:39,719 --> 02:20:38,290
the carousel the turning of the carousel

3189
02:20:42,120 --> 02:20:39,729
and that's all in the book we don't have

3190
02:20:44,399 --> 02:20:42,130
time to go into here here but the

3191
02:20:46,620 --> 02:20:44,409
carousel was the the operative thing

3192
02:20:48,240 --> 02:20:46,630
that made it all work and moving the

3193
02:20:50,929 --> 02:20:48,250
carousel off the intersection of those

3194
02:20:56,219 --> 02:20:50,939
two lerk currents theoretically

3195
02:20:58,769 --> 02:20:56,229
deactivated Disneyland as a device for

3196
02:21:02,080 --> 02:20:58,779
what that's worth actually that's that's

3197
02:21:03,609 --> 02:21:02,090
that's kind of interesting I like it

3198
02:21:04,929 --> 02:21:03,619
when it comes to Disney there I mean

3199
02:21:07,000 --> 02:21:04,939
there's no question that it's had a

3200
02:21:09,639 --> 02:21:07,010
major impact on our culture there's

3201
02:21:12,639 --> 02:21:09,649
there's a whole phenomena that's they

3202
02:21:14,939 --> 02:21:12,649
they called Disneyfication no and which

3203
02:21:17,649 --> 02:21:14,949
is the process is stripping away our

3204
02:21:19,719 --> 02:21:17,659
recognition of the objective realities

3205
02:21:21,969 --> 02:21:19,729
and repackaging it in a sort of

3206
02:21:25,840 --> 02:21:21,979
sanitized culturally approved format

3207
02:21:28,059 --> 02:21:25,850
that sells so it's a it's a worldwide

3208
02:21:31,030 --> 02:21:28,069
phenomena in and of itself has had a lot

3209
02:21:33,819 --> 02:21:31,040
of impact on people yeah I can't

3210
02:21:35,950 --> 02:21:33,829
necessarily say you know in a good way

3211
02:21:39,670 --> 02:21:35,960
but I mean some of the Disney stuff is

3212
02:21:41,530 --> 02:21:39,680
like I grew up with it and and look the

3213
02:21:44,170 --> 02:21:41,540
films are heartwarming and but you can

3214
02:21:46,750 --> 02:21:44,180
see how it programs us to to think in

3215
02:21:50,399 --> 02:21:46,760
particular ways that are in line with

3216
02:21:54,010 --> 02:21:50,409
our particular social conditioning yeah

3217
02:21:55,750 --> 02:21:54,020
yeah but remember our main initial

3218
02:21:58,719 --> 02:21:55,760
exposure to things Disney is in

3219
02:22:00,580 --> 02:21:58,729
childhood right right and most people

3220
02:22:02,590 --> 02:22:00,590
you know at some point in your life

3221
02:22:04,719 --> 02:22:02,600
you're made to understand that you got

3222
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to grow out of certain things and that's

3223
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even the perceptions on what life and

3224
02:22:12,490 --> 02:22:09,380
the world are we know as grown-ups that

3225
02:22:14,319 --> 02:22:12,500
that changes because what happens we we

3226
02:22:16,660 --> 02:22:14,329
make our right turn out of childhood and

3227
02:22:18,939 --> 02:22:16,670
go slamming into that brick wall of life

3228
02:22:21,250 --> 02:22:18,949
is my high school history teacher used

3229
02:22:24,340 --> 02:22:21,260
to say and you know we have to learn

3230
02:22:26,260 --> 02:22:24,350
that okay that perception that the happy

3231
02:22:29,500 --> 02:22:26,270
little Disney movie taught me is not

3232
02:22:31,990 --> 02:22:29,510
truly the way things are and not

3233
02:22:35,170 --> 02:22:32,000
realistic and that's part of growing up

3234
02:22:36,550 --> 02:22:35,180
so you know when I hear adults I'm not

3235
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saying you're doing this but they're out

3236
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there when I hear adults lamenting that

3237
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oh my gosh I was brainwashed by what I

3238
02:22:45,460 --> 02:22:43,460
watched in the Disney movies and it gave

3239
02:22:48,010 --> 02:22:45,470
me this person I'm like I'm thinking

3240
02:22:50,710 --> 02:22:48,020
okay you need to grow up

3241
02:22:53,800 --> 02:22:50,720
you need to realize that well of course

3242
02:22:56,019 --> 02:22:53,810
life is not you know what's in a fairy

3243
02:22:59,050 --> 02:22:56,029
tale Disney movie or any movie for that

3244
02:23:01,719 --> 02:22:59,060
matter you know it's we do live in an

3245
02:23:03,250 --> 02:23:01,729
era where people have a tendency to just

3246
02:23:07,120 --> 02:23:03,260
not want to take personal accountability

3247
02:23:08,950 --> 02:23:07,130
for their own lives their own way they

3248
02:23:11,380 --> 02:23:08,960
look at things they they want to blame

3249
02:23:14,649 --> 02:23:11,390
something or someone else and I think

3250
02:23:15,610 --> 02:23:14,659
that's where you know some of that comes

3251
02:23:19,720 --> 02:23:15,620
from you know

3252
02:23:21,790 --> 02:23:19,730
maybe more than some of it but so beyond

3253
02:23:24,250 --> 02:23:21,800
that now when you are talking about

3254
02:23:26,950 --> 02:23:24,260
playing mind games right and getting

3255
02:23:29,620 --> 02:23:26,960
into our psyches you know if you're if

3256
02:23:32,080 --> 02:23:29,630
you're talking about that yeah okay that

3257
02:23:35,140 --> 02:23:32,090
gets into playing a game where you know

3258
02:23:37,210 --> 02:23:35,150
it can even work on adults and it's kind

3259
02:23:39,520 --> 02:23:37,220
of they're doing something that people

3260
02:23:41,080 --> 02:23:39,530
generally feel like okay that's not cool

3261
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you shouldn't be doing that

3262
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there is nothing wrong with your

3263
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television set we are controlling

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fact that there's a commercial or

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segment with Walter Bosley as I was

3377
02:28:44,239 --> 02:28:42,689
trying to do mind control there and I

3378
02:28:46,880 --> 02:28:44,249
put myself to sleep

3379
02:28:49,519 --> 02:28:46,890
I did some hypnotism when I was about 20

3380
02:28:51,170 --> 02:28:49,529
or 21 years old and I had some success

3381
02:28:54,139 --> 02:28:51,180
with that gave it up

3382
02:28:55,760 --> 02:28:54,149
Walter Bosley with J Randall Murphy

3383
02:28:59,660 --> 02:28:55,770
we're just talking a bit about the

3384
02:29:02,630 --> 02:28:59,670
social conditioning then things like

3385
02:29:04,969 --> 02:29:02,640
Disney and I mean yes sure we grow up

3386
02:29:06,590 --> 02:29:04,979
but how many people as they grow up out

3387
02:29:09,200 --> 02:29:06,600
of childhood what's the first thing they

3388
02:29:11,090 --> 02:29:09,210
do they want to get married into a

3389
02:29:13,819 --> 02:29:11,100
relationship where they think one person

3390
02:29:16,760 --> 02:29:13,829
is going to be their their knight in

3391
02:29:19,489 --> 02:29:16,770
shining armor or you know their Princess

3392
02:29:21,620 --> 02:29:19,499
Bride and live happily forever after and

3393
02:29:23,750 --> 02:29:21,630
the in the palace it's when that doesn't

3394
02:29:25,969 --> 02:29:23,760
work out they do it again and again and

3395
02:29:29,750 --> 02:29:25,979
again the definition of insanity right

3396
02:29:32,059 --> 02:29:29,760
yeah I quit after two then they say well

3397
02:29:32,989 --> 02:29:32,069
that just makes us you know jaded and

3398
02:29:35,899 --> 02:29:32,999
cynical

3399
02:29:37,910 --> 02:29:35,909
you know jaded or enlightened what I

3400
02:29:39,800 --> 02:29:37,920
find is the people who would jump to the

3401
02:29:40,880 --> 02:29:39,810
oh you're just jaded those are the

3402
02:29:42,500 --> 02:29:40,890
people that are still drinking the

3403
02:29:44,660 --> 02:29:42,510
kool-aid those are the people that are

3404
02:29:46,399 --> 02:29:44,670
still clinging to the fantasy and they

3405
02:29:48,559 --> 02:29:46,409
don't want to hear that well you know

3406
02:29:51,019 --> 02:29:48,569
maybe that fantasy doesn't work for

3407
02:29:52,880 --> 02:29:51,029
everybody you know yeah I I haven't got

3408
02:29:54,679 --> 02:29:52,890
married after the second marriage but

3409
02:29:56,719 --> 02:29:54,689
I've lived with two other girlfriends

3410
02:30:00,019 --> 02:29:56,729
I had a fifth significant relationship

3411
02:30:01,519 --> 02:30:00,029
so after five times of clearly Walter's

3412
02:30:04,790 --> 02:30:01,529
doing something wrong he's not choosing

3413
02:30:06,859 --> 02:30:04,800
wisely something you know I said okay

3414
02:30:08,989 --> 02:30:06,869
maybe this this model that you're

3415
02:30:12,819 --> 02:30:08,999
talking about of you know being made it

3416
02:30:14,929 --> 02:30:12,829
up and happily ever after you know maybe

3417
02:30:16,819 --> 02:30:14,939
you know it's yeah it's completely

3418
02:30:18,529 --> 02:30:16,829
faulty to begin with well it doesn't

3419
02:30:21,019 --> 02:30:18,539
work for everybody I've got friends that

3420
02:30:23,420 --> 02:30:21,029
chose wisely and it's great they're

3421
02:30:24,040 --> 02:30:23,430
happily married you know they're with

3422
02:30:27,040 --> 02:30:24,050
the right

3423
02:30:28,900 --> 02:30:27,050
but it's not for everybody

3424
02:30:31,120 --> 02:30:28,910
but that doesn't necessarily mean that

3425
02:30:32,710 --> 02:30:31,130
you should you know wait people are when

3426
02:30:35,139 --> 02:30:32,720
I hear people say well you got to make

3427
02:30:37,719 --> 02:30:35,149
it work my god sounds like too much work

3428
02:30:39,250 --> 02:30:37,729
I hate to say it folks but the and I'm

3429
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putting air quotes around the word magic

3430
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here but there's got to be that certain

3431
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call chemistry call it whatever again

3432
02:30:48,040 --> 02:30:45,649
going back to you made the right choice

3433
02:30:50,860 --> 02:30:48,050
it shouldn't honestly it shouldn't be

3434
02:30:53,080 --> 02:30:50,870
that much work it should just be kind of

3435
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something you both want and you both

3436
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like each other not look just love

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that's the romantic stuff the sugar but

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it's it's got to be you just work you

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click or whatever so that it does all

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the work for you

3441
02:31:08,740 --> 02:31:06,080
it really shouldn't be that much work

3442
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again we go back to the people who who

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they have to put a lot of work into it

3444
02:31:14,020 --> 02:31:12,530
and it's been a struggle for them you

3445
02:31:16,599 --> 02:31:14,030
know we have this human tendency where

3446
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people want to know that they want to

3447
02:31:21,340 --> 02:31:19,340
feel valid that their choices were valid

3448
02:31:23,380 --> 02:31:21,350
so what they'll do is they'll project

3449
02:31:26,170 --> 02:31:23,390
their values on other people they'll say

3450
02:31:27,969 --> 02:31:26,180
well I made this choice so it must be

3451
02:31:30,700 --> 02:31:27,979
the prime choice that people are

3452
02:31:32,740 --> 02:31:30,710
supposed to make so therefore I'm gonna

3453
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tell people well you know you should you

3454
02:31:35,980 --> 02:31:34,160
know my choice is the right choice

3455
02:31:37,420 --> 02:31:35,990
you're making the wrong choice and what

3456
02:31:38,559 --> 02:31:37,430
they're trying to do is validate their

3457
02:31:41,590 --> 02:31:38,569
own choice because they're not so sure

3458
02:31:43,929 --> 02:31:41,600
about it ok and absolutely we find this

3459
02:31:45,730 --> 02:31:43,939
a lot with the marriage model there are

3460
02:31:47,200 --> 02:31:45,740
people that you know they're thinking

3461
02:31:48,760 --> 02:31:47,210
well I did the right thing right I did

3462
02:31:50,620 --> 02:31:48,770
the right thing right because somewhere

3463
02:31:53,830 --> 02:31:50,630
in their mind they doubt it so then they

3464
02:31:55,389 --> 02:31:53,840
kind of go like wildly in the of course

3465
02:31:57,610 --> 02:31:55,399
I did the right thing and my choice is

3466
02:31:59,139 --> 02:31:57,620
what everybody's supposed to do you know

3467
02:32:00,910 --> 02:31:59,149
those of you who didn't do my choice

3468
02:32:02,380 --> 02:32:00,920
there's something wrong with you the

3469
02:32:04,540 --> 02:32:02,390
marriage model when you get into talking

3470
02:32:06,750 --> 02:32:04,550
about that is a whole discussion in

3471
02:32:09,429 --> 02:32:06,760
itself you know how much people buy into

3472
02:32:12,040 --> 02:32:09,439
ratings they should buy into and Disney

3473
02:32:13,480 --> 02:32:12,050
is a huge part of that model well

3474
02:32:15,429 --> 02:32:13,490
there's been books written about the

3475
02:32:18,490 --> 02:32:15,439
whole thing where it goes back to and

3476
02:32:20,230 --> 02:32:18,500
starts to - of course marriage marriage

3477
02:32:22,090 --> 02:32:20,240
actually goes back even further of

3478
02:32:25,690 --> 02:32:22,100
course horse I mean we've been living

3479
02:32:28,330 --> 02:32:25,700
with this this model thrown at us for a

3480
02:32:29,889 --> 02:32:28,340
long time a lot longer than Disney's

3481
02:32:32,559 --> 02:32:29,899
ever been around but yeah they do

3482
02:32:35,860 --> 02:32:32,569
promote that certainly absolutely oh

3483
02:32:37,449 --> 02:32:35,870
yeah degree two children before they

3484
02:32:38,830 --> 02:32:37,459
even know and can be

3485
02:32:40,599 --> 02:32:38,840
can think about it for themselves

3486
02:32:42,399 --> 02:32:40,609
they've already been imprinted with this

3487
02:32:44,349 --> 02:32:42,409
is how it's going to be yeah this is

3488
02:32:46,479 --> 02:32:44,359
what you should do and such and it's

3489
02:32:49,000 --> 02:32:46,489
this ancient model of you know that be

3490
02:32:50,349 --> 02:32:49,010
fruitful and multiply thing it so it

3491
02:32:52,210 --> 02:32:50,359
goes back to ancient times

3492
02:32:55,599 --> 02:32:52,220
of course you'll notice if you study

3493
02:32:58,000 --> 02:32:55,609
that the the wealthy the people you know

3494
02:32:59,679 --> 02:32:58,010
the monarchies and the wealthy people

3495
02:33:02,219 --> 02:32:59,689
they go about marriage in a different

3496
02:33:05,260 --> 02:33:02,229
way it's much more of an arranged thing

3497
02:33:08,380 --> 02:33:05,270
you know you have in the old days on

3498
02:33:10,120 --> 02:33:08,390
certain levels the husband and wife

3499
02:33:12,189 --> 02:33:10,130
would would not even sleep in the same

3500
02:33:14,380 --> 02:33:12,199
bedroom right they would each have their

3501
02:33:15,909 --> 02:33:14,390
own bedchamber for sleeping and stuff

3502
02:33:17,469 --> 02:33:15,919
and the only time they go into the other

3503
02:33:20,559 --> 02:33:17,479
one's room was when it was hanky-panky

3504
02:33:23,349 --> 02:33:20,569
time and it was really the the poor

3505
02:33:25,569 --> 02:33:23,359
people who you know the husband and wife

3506
02:33:28,920 --> 02:33:25,579
would share the the daily nightly bed

3507
02:33:32,380 --> 02:33:28,930
that's why certain very prominent people

3508
02:33:35,969 --> 02:33:32,390
sleep in separate rooms even hotel rooms

3509
02:33:42,969 --> 02:33:35,979
yes even the house that's colored white

3510
02:33:45,069 --> 02:33:42,979
you know it's I could I couldn't use

3511
02:33:48,010 --> 02:33:45,079
this when you said that I could not

3512
02:33:50,649 --> 02:33:48,020
resist the insanity anyway we're in our

3513
02:33:53,229 --> 02:33:50,659
final segment of this episode we've got

3514
02:33:58,179 --> 02:33:53,239
about three minutes let's continue

3515
02:34:01,199 --> 02:33:58,189
so fairytales are representative of the

3516
02:34:03,580 --> 02:34:01,209
things that have influenced us the

3517
02:34:07,269 --> 02:34:03,590
folklore mythology since ancient times

3518
02:34:13,090 --> 02:34:07,279
and certainly in our modern era the last

3519
02:34:14,889 --> 02:34:13,100
century the Disney brand of that you

3520
02:34:17,529 --> 02:34:14,899
know has promoted these same things so

3521
02:34:20,580 --> 02:34:17,539
that's the reference we have you know to

3522
02:34:23,830 --> 02:34:20,590
go with of course but it dates back to

3523
02:34:27,309 --> 02:34:23,840
to ancient times and it's a fascinating

3524
02:34:28,870 --> 02:34:27,319
discussion absolutely so are you have

3525
02:34:30,159 --> 02:34:28,880
you got any more speaking engagements

3526
02:34:33,099 --> 02:34:30,169
coming up yeah maybe you should tell us

3527
02:34:35,590 --> 02:34:33,109
about those yes I'm speaking the weekend

3528
02:34:37,210 --> 02:34:35,600
of August 17th through 19th at a very

3529
02:34:39,429 --> 02:34:37,220
new agey type event

3530
02:34:42,159 --> 02:34:39,439
some people were knocking me over the

3531
02:34:43,960 --> 02:34:42,169
head for a you know I speak if you asked

3532
02:34:46,120 --> 02:34:43,970
me to speak somewhere you know unless

3533
02:34:48,399 --> 02:34:46,130
you're an illegal group or or like you

3534
02:34:51,190 --> 02:34:48,409
know you know it's an event it's the

3535
02:34:52,930 --> 02:34:51,200
five d event in Los Angeles

3536
02:34:57,520 --> 02:34:52,940
and I'll be talking about my secret

3537
02:34:59,350 --> 02:34:57,530
missions books specifically and it's you

3538
02:35:00,551 --> 02:34:59,360
know it's a lot of fun yeah there's some

3539
02:35:03,730 --> 02:35:00,561
things there that's not exactly my

3540
02:35:05,200 --> 02:35:03,740
bailiwick but I'll be there and again

3541
02:35:07,480 --> 02:35:05,210
that's the weekend of August 17th

3542
02:35:12,250 --> 02:35:07,490
through the 19th I'll also be going to

3543
02:35:16,120 --> 02:35:12,260
the ComicCon in Palm Springs on August

3544
02:35:19,301 --> 02:35:16,130
25th doing my YouTube channel video

3545
02:35:22,600 --> 02:35:19,311
stuff so I'll be out there you can see

3546
02:35:24,960 --> 02:35:22,610
me wandering around out there and of

3547
02:35:27,700 --> 02:35:24,970
course I have my Empire of the wheel

3548
02:35:30,280 --> 02:35:27,710
books that are in TV development right

3549
02:35:33,820 --> 02:35:30,290
now so is this going to be a fictional

3550
02:35:36,520 --> 02:35:33,830
TV or a reality show German it's not

3551
02:35:38,710 --> 02:35:36,530
going to be a reality documentary series

3552
02:35:40,921 --> 02:35:38,720
no it's going to be actors and it's

3553
02:35:45,430 --> 02:35:40,931
going to be presented dramatically yeah

3554
02:35:48,100 --> 02:35:45,440
hopefully hopefully not like true

3555
02:35:51,341 --> 02:35:48,110
detective season one or no pure drama

3556
02:35:55,480 --> 02:35:51,351
sure not like Project Blue Book where

3557
02:35:58,091 --> 02:35:55,490
they feature an action hero named dr. J

3558
02:35:59,381 --> 02:35:58,101
Allen Hynek and a lot of people aren't

3559
02:36:01,210 --> 02:35:59,391
really happy about that

3560
02:36:02,530 --> 02:36:01,220
yeah we can do a whole show on that I'm

3561
02:36:04,240 --> 02:36:02,540
gonna get the author of the Hynek

3562
02:36:07,540 --> 02:36:04,250
biography and see what he thinks

3563
02:36:10,540 --> 02:36:07,550
where do we find you online oh I'm most

3564
02:36:13,210 --> 02:36:10,550
active on Twitter and Facebook doing my

3565
02:36:14,740 --> 02:36:13,220
commentary I have a blog occasionally I

3566
02:36:15,940 --> 02:36:14,750
get on there and put an essay Empire the

3567
02:36:18,040 --> 02:36:15,950
wheel blog spot.com

3568
02:36:20,921 --> 02:36:18,050
and also I have the Walter Bosley

3569
02:36:22,480 --> 02:36:20,931
channel on YouTube which I go through

3570
02:36:24,761 --> 02:36:22,490
spurts of having a lot of videos and

3571
02:36:26,200 --> 02:36:24,771
then when I get busy you know I don't

3572
02:36:30,730 --> 02:36:26,210
have a lot but that's that's where I'm

3573
02:36:32,740 --> 02:36:30,740
at you can find me there okay print on

3574
02:36:36,100 --> 02:36:32,750
demand at lulu.com

3575
02:36:38,200 --> 02:36:36,110
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3576
02:36:42,040 --> 02:36:38,210
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3577
02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:42,050
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02:36:47,440 --> 02:36:45,050
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02:36:49,990 --> 02:36:47,450
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3580
02:36:53,140 --> 02:36:50,000
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3581
02:36:56,350 --> 02:36:53,150
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3582
02:36:59,530 --> 02:36:56,360
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3583
02:37:02,290 --> 02:36:59,540
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3584
02:37:04,030 --> 02:37:02,300
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3585
02:37:05,770 --> 02:37:04,040
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02:37:07,570 --> 02:37:05,780
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02:37:10,660 --> 02:37:07,580
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3589
02:37:14,140 --> 02:37:12,590
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3590
02:37:18,130 --> 02:37:14,150
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02:37:20,230 --> 02:37:18,140
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02:37:28,690 --> 02:37:25,940
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3596
02:37:29,350 --> 02:37:28,700
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3598
02:37:35,920 --> 02:37:32,870
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3599
02:37:40,420 --> 02:37:35,930
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3611
02:38:14,261 --> 02:38:10,940
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02:38:17,020 --> 02:38:14,271
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3613
02:38:19,870 --> 02:38:17,030
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3614
02:38:21,490 --> 02:38:19,880
for joining us on the power cast thanks

3615
02:38:23,440 --> 02:38:21,500
for having me on I like coming on and

3616
02:38:34,210 --> 02:38:23,450
talking with you guys yeah that was good

3617
02:38:40,760 --> 02:38:37,730
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3618
02:38:43,630 --> 02:38:40,770
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